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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Meyer-Optik Orestor 2.8/100 |
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vilva wrote:
I succeeded in doing my usual round with the Orestor, some results can be seen at http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos350d_orestor100.html.
The Orestor is a nice little lens. Fully open the bokeh isn't particularly good, but it does improve a lot by f/5.6 - like most lenses do, although there are very few lenses I'd consider using even that wide open when the bokeh really matters.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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Fotal
Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 282 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Fotal wrote:
Thanks for showing!
Unfortunately it, the lens, doesn't speak to me. The bokeh is neither this nor that, like something inbetween or a mix of something that throws me off. _________________ Mr Scott please restrain your leaps of illogic. I have said nothing. I was merely speculating. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I love this lens.
THe only thing unpleasant is the OOF highlights, but this is a common trait to all sharp lenses.
For the rest, I find the microcontrast lovely, it really gives life to the images.
I must get myself a copy one of these weeks. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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yojimbo
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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yojimbo wrote:
Bokeh seems a bit here and there - I like the first shot at 5.6 a lot though. |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
It seem to be a nice lens.
But in the adequate hands, in the adequate place and time and with the adequate subjet matter....And it seem to be the case of yours beautifull pics.
Regards. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is one of my favorite lens, I rate bit higher Pentacon 100mm f2.8. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Attila
Sometimes I heared that the oreston, orestegon, etc. are far bettar than the pentacons, while they have to be the same lens (same schame, same glass). May the MC can modify negatively the performance of the pentacons? Other cause?
Thanks, regards. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Pentacon group made at in the last years of communism.
They didn't take care much about quality. Carl Zeiss Jena had pretty much stable quality rare to find bad copies. Pentacon is a bit different optical and mechanical quality can be different from Meyers lenses. No general rules some of Pentacon lenses are better than genuine Meyers some not.
In my experience Pentacon 100mm f2.8 can be crap really mechanically hard to find any good copy. Optically I rate a bit above than more common Meyer-Orestegor 100mm f2.8 , Meyer lens has lot better mechanical quality.
Pentacon 135mm zebra vs Orestegor zebra the bokeh Monsters both are lovely lens I bit higher Pentacon labeled lens this can be a really , really superb portrait lens.
Pentacon 135mm 2.8 MC also an excellent lens in any area where is sharpness not most important feature.
Orestegor 200mm vs Pentacon 200mm
I rate higher Orestegor 200mm build and optical quality both are better.
Pentacon 300mm vs Orestegor 300 I see no diffrence.
Pentacon 500mm f5.6 vs Orestegor 500mm
I have experience only with Pentacon variant.
Below 50mm I tested lot of variants I saw no difference really, Primagon 30mm f4.5 lot better lens than 29mm Pentacon. _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Your pictures are great, thank you.
Meyer are very good by Telelenses, and the sharpness is wide over the sensorlevel.
Superb!
regards Peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
Lenses on
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Primagon 30mm f4.5 lot better lens than 29mm Pentacon. |
The Pentacon 29/2.8 should derive from Orestegon not Primagon for what I know. _________________ Alessandro
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RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
A G Photography wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Primagon 30mm f4.5 lot better lens than 29mm Pentacon. |
The Pentacon 29/2.8 should derive from Orestegon not Primagon for what I know. |
That's true. The Orestegon was the predecessor of the Pentacon 29, both are/were seven lensers. The Primagon had four lenses and was a side track from the five lens Helioplan to the Lydith (5 lenses) and later The Pentacon 3.5/30. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
ATTILA
Thank you, very much.
Regards. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Orestegor 200mm vs Pentacon 200mm
I rate higher Orestegor 200mm build and optical quality both are better.
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Agree with that. The Meyer Orestegor 200 is a preset lens with a 15 blade diaphragm near the front element. This design continued under the Pentacon badge for a time until it was replaced by the Pentacon 200, which is cheaper build and has an automatic 6 blade diaphragm near the mount, so there are two types of Pentacon. I think this applies to the 135 as well but I'm not sure about the 300. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Eugen Mezei
Joined: 17 May 2008 Posts: 266
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Eugen Mezei wrote:
Atilla, when comparing the Meyer and the Pentacon 200 mm, are you talking about the auto version of the Pentacon?
I have a preset 200 mm Pentacon, is this identical to the Meyer or do you consider this one also inferior to the Meyer?
Eugen
P.S.: I have also an auto 200 mm Pentacon (electric), but the iris actionator lever is disengaged and I don't know how to put it back together. |
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greg
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 683
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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greg wrote:
As usual, I have enjoyed your presentation. Yet another 'old' lens that is shown to have character. |
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gil
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 73 Location: San Jose, CA, U.S.A.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: |
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gil wrote:
Ignoring the bokeh, looked good to me esp. the sharpness and tonality.
gil |
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