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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Lumix (Panasonic) dSLR Reply with quote
Hello,

After the first L1 here is the second Panasonic dSLR, the Lumix L10: PANASONIC_ (JUST_CLICK)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083011panasonicL10.asp

The insteresting fact is that in the article is mentioned that "The camera's Leica D lens is also equipped with Panasonic's MEGA O.I.S. optical image stabilization system" , unlike E-510 and E-3 from Olympus which have the sensors stabilised (IS) not the lenses.

PS. I do not know why was needed that face detection whing ?!

By the way , here are the lenses (LEICA) (OIS) : http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083009leica40150.asp and http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083010leica1450.asp


PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know it's price , but I am sure it will be on the sky and for that money I take Canon or Nikon, definetly not a 2x crop camera.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hello,

Here http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonicdmcl10/ says 1300 $ (body only ?) but it look like an entry level/amateur camera, to me (not an D80/30D competitor).


PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought this double price only for name Leica lens blah, blah. I am pretty sure new Olympus professional camera will be very expensive also.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCL10/DMCL10A.HTM
http://dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_l10-review/index.shtml


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It looks like Panasonic is aiming to bring into the reflex world the features of the point and shoot: live view, automatic ISO, even crappy digital zoom... what kind of stuff is that?
No thanks, not for me.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
niblue wrote:

The Panasonic (and Leica) DSLR's have been quite poorly reviewed in the UK press. The UK press also seem a lot less convinced generally by the 4/3rd sensor size now than they used to be.


As far as I know, Leica has nothing to do with this reflex camera.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
niblue wrote:

The Panasonic (and Leica) DSLR's have been quite poorly reviewed in the UK press. The UK press also seem a lot less convinced generally by the 4/3rd sensor size now than they used to be.


As far as I know, Leica has nothing to do with this reflex camera.


Leica, license the name for the lens - what input they have on the actual design I don't know. The lens seems quite positively reviewed but the camera doesn't seem to impress anyone, particularly at the price.

Interestingly there's a preview of the new Olympus E3 in this week' Amateur Photographer where it's quite well recieved.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Richard_D wrote:

Leica, license the name for the lens


Yes, Leica licenses the names (names only, they don't make the actual lenses) Elmar and Elmarit for the lenses in the point and shoot Panasonic cameras, and they maybe will do the same for the lenses for this reflex camera (or maybe they will make the lenses themselves), but this camera in no way can be called a "Leica DSLR".
Leica fans are still eagerly awaiting the first digital Leica-R, the (supposedly) R10, which is supposed to be compatible with the -R range of reflex lenses and which was rumoured to be under development a few months ago, but no sure news about it so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Richard_D wrote:

Leica, license the name for the lens


Yes, Leica licenses the names (names only, they don't make the actual lenses) Elmar and Elmarit for the lenses in the point and shoot Panasonic cameras, and they maybe will do the same for the lenses for this reflex camera (or maybe they will make the lenses themselves), but this camera in no way can be called a "Leica DSLR".
Leica fans are still eagerly awaiting the first digital Leica-R, the (supposedly) R10, which is supposed to be compatible with the -R range of reflex lenses and which was rumoured to be under development a few months ago, but no sure news about it so far.
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I don't know how tied up they are with Panasonic now - the Digilux 3 was a fully branded 'Leica DSLR' (and call me odd but I quite liked the styling).

The M8 had such a mixed reception that I suspect they'll be very careful to get an R Leica right.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Richard_D wrote:

I don't know how tied up they are with Panasonic now - the Digilux 3 was a fully branded 'Leica DSLR'


Yep. But even in that case, there was only the Leica brand, while the camera was not made by Leica.
A mere marketing trick if we want to call things by their names.
In this case, as far as I know, this camera is not a Leica DSLR under any respect, neither substantial nor formal. It will only mount Leica lenses.

It's typical of Leica to make these strange moves, just like when they rebranded as R4 what was really a Minolta camera.

These choices are part of the reasons why the Leica brand is not respected anymore like it used to be in the past.

This is the big difference from Zeiss, Zeiss also makes or licenses products on commission (like the lenses for Sony), even low end consumer products like the lenses for Nokia mobiles, but they never do the other way around, that is, they never sell in their OWN line of products lenses or cameras that are designed by other companies - they commission to Cosina the actual production, but it's always their own design and their own quality control in the end on any product of Zeiss' own catalogue.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, this path (rebranding) was followd by ALPA too, with M42 and K Pentax mount cameras, which were in fact Chinon SLRs
http://www.alpa.ch/index.php?path=about_alpa/history/detail&detailpage=18
http://www.alpareflex.com/Cameras/Si2000.htm
http://www.alpareflex.com/Cameras/Si3000.htm
Of course the lens are Chinon lens too.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The gimmicks on this camera defy me. They all seem to be things you might expect from a P&S, deliberately reducing the input of the user to just pressing the button. I don't see the point of paying 4x the price to lug around a big DSLR with a tiny sensor to do P&S photography, when I can slip our little Ixus in my pocket, and I bet it gives just as good (and uncropped) pictures.

I would have thought that Panasonic, who (unlike Canon, Nikon and Olympus) are not locked into a historic lens mount system, could have taken the opportunity to choose a much smaller register distance to go with the 4/3 sensor - i.e. a full-frame camera with a smaller sensor. This would avoid the cropped image of other makes and keep the camera smaller and price lower. I don't understand the claim about giving users "a host of equipment options".

Sorry, not for me.
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