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mikel
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 26 Location: SW Europe
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: Looking for a decent 28mm f2.8 (m42) |
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mikel wrote:
Hi all,
I am currently enjoying a Mir 1V 37mm f2.8 with my APS-C dslr (Sony A100), which I like a lot: both sharpness and colours are great for me, as well as the field of view.
But...
I sometimes find those 37mm rather restricting for street photo. I already own a Pentacon 29mm f2.8 that gives me the extra width I want. The problem with the pentacon is that its borders are rather soft wide open (even though once stopped down to say f/5.6 its performance is quite good). Thus, I'm looking for another 28 mm lens with a decent performance (doesn't have to be stellar), which should have an aperture of at least 2.8 ).
Which one can you recommend me? What's your opinion of the Tokina 28mm f/2.8? Beroflex?
Thanks in advance! _________________ E. German: Pentacon Electric 29 f/2.8 + Pentacon Auto 135 f/2.8
Russian: Mir 24M 35 f/2 + Mir 1V 37 f/2.8 + Industar 50-2 f/3.5 + Helios 44 58 f/2 + Helios 44-2 58 f/2
Japanese: Vivitar 28 f/2.5 + SMC Takumar 50 f/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55 f/2 + S-M-C Takumar 105 f/2.8 + S-M-C Takumar 200 f/4
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Why would you want only a "decent" lens when you can buy a better one for just a few more euros/dollars? 28mm's are abundant enough to be cheap, so I would recommend (noting your avatar) a S-M-C Takumar 28mm f/3.5. Granted, it's not a f/2.8 but does that make a big difference for you? _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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mikel
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 26 Location: SW Europe
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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mikel wrote:
OK, so, considering the Pentacon is my starting point, I'm open to excellent 28mm's too
Any other recommendations apart from the S-M-C Tak? _________________ E. German: Pentacon Electric 29 f/2.8 + Pentacon Auto 135 f/2.8
Russian: Mir 24M 35 f/2 + Mir 1V 37 f/2.8 + Industar 50-2 f/3.5 + Helios 44 58 f/2 + Helios 44-2 58 f/2
Japanese: Vivitar 28 f/2.5 + SMC Takumar 50 f/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55 f/2 + S-M-C Takumar 105 f/2.8 + S-M-C Takumar 200 f/4 |
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Jieffe
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 754 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Jieffe wrote:
mikel wrote: |
Any other recommendations apart from the S-M-C Tak? |
My better 28mm is a Pentax M 2.8, but it is K-mount.
My previous favorite was Tamron Adaptall-2 28mm f2.5 (with of course a M42 adaptall mount). |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Jieffe wrote: |
mikel wrote: |
Any other recommendations apart from the S-M-C Tak? |
My better 28mm is a Pentax M 2.8, but it is K-mount.
My previous favorite was Tamron Adaptall-2 28mm f2.5 (with of course a M42 adaptall mount). |
I have that one for sale soon (Tamron I mean). _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
You might want to go for a Vivitar 2.8/28 (by Komine) or a Vivitar 2.5/28 (by Kiron).
Both lenses can be excellent (if the copy is good) and be found for very little money. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
http://www.retrocamera.de |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
I have read many good things about the Vivitar 28/2.5 and 28/2.8 Lucis Pictor is recommending.
If you go this route mind that there is a 2.8/28 which is called 'Close Focus' which is the one described as being the best of all, another called 'Wide Angle'. If you want a Komine check that the serial number starts with 28 ( there are others made by e.g Cosina which are quite good too )
but about those I only have read...about the Takumar I know it is very good, I have been using it quite a lot.
A Vivitar 28/2..great if you want it really fast _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
Another recommendation for the Vivitar/Komine 28mm f/2.8. It's excellent: sharp even wide open (especially in the centre) and even the bokeh is pretty good. Here's one sample wide open (original size in my flickr):
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Razster
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 101
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Razster wrote:
I love my Yashica/Yashicor M42 28mm 2.8
http://yashica.org/290-2-AUTO-YASHIKOR-28mm-12-8.html
I also have the YUS version as well http://yashica.org/165-2-YUS+28mm+128.html
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Sigma Mini-wide 28/2.8; the close up performance is better than most. Tehy are available in lots of mounts too.
The problem with these is that they too often go for too much money in my opinion. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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supahmario
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 615 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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supahmario wrote:
Razster wrote: |
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seems that this lens is decentered. or what i this magnification-effect at bottom of the image about? _________________ EOS 5D, EOS 30
Leica-R: Summicron 2/50
QBM: Distagon 2.8/35
PK: Tokina 3.5/17, Porst 1.2/55
M42: S-M-C Takumar 3.5/24, S-M-C Takumar 1.8/55, CZJ MC Sonnar 3.5/135, Jupiter 21M 4/200
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tkbslc
Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 194 Location: Utah, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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tkbslc wrote:
I know this is a manual focus forum, but seriously the Sigma 30mm 1.4 is what I would (and did) do. It is such a good lens in every way.
MF is insanely hard on a lens that wide in my experience. I tried a couple of cheaper 28 MF primes and I was probably 1/10 for focus accuracy.
One I did try which I would not consider worthy as even a weapon to throw at my worst enemy, was the Miida 28mm f2.8. It was like a soft focus lens until f8. _________________ Canon 30D + some AF and MF lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
tkbslc wrote: |
I know this is a manual focus forum, but seriously the Sigma 30mm 1.4 is what I would (and did) do. It is such a good lens in every way.
MF is insanely hard on a lens that wide in my experience. I tried a couple of cheaper 28 MF primes and I was probably 1/10 for focus accuracy.
One I did try which I would not consider worthy as even a weapon to throw at my worst enemy, was the Miida 28mm f2.8. It was like a soft focus lens until f8. |
Seek better ones not the cheapest ones and you will find superb MF lenses. Contax Distagon for example... _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
As Attila wrote... seek better ones..
Not M42.. Leica R to xxx you need for that.
Here a some samples taken with the Elmarit 2.8/28mm,
SNo. near 3.000.000, Canon 5D FF, "Kieler Woche 2009"
greetz
Hinnerker _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
www.digicamclub.de |
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
tkbslc wrote: |
I know this is a manual focus forum, but seriously the Sigma 30mm 1.4 is what I would (and did) do. It is such a good lens in every way. |
It's got a very good reputation. However it is relatively expensive in the UK (~400 GBP). I addition, Sigma's reputation for QC is not great at the moment and some people complain about focusing issues with this lens.
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MF is insanely hard on a lens that wide in my experience. |
If you look around this forum you will find very many very good, and some great, shots taken with a 28mm MF lens. _________________ John |
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supahmario
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 615 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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supahmario wrote:
the first is kind of surreal! _________________ EOS 5D, EOS 30
Leica-R: Summicron 2/50
QBM: Distagon 2.8/35
PK: Tokina 3.5/17, Porst 1.2/55
M42: S-M-C Takumar 3.5/24, S-M-C Takumar 1.8/55, CZJ MC Sonnar 3.5/135, Jupiter 21M 4/200
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
supahmario wrote: |
the first is kind of surreal! |
To see the image in HIGH RES,
http://dunkelnetz.de/images/events/kieler_woche/mir_gross.JPG
Was taken at "The Kieler Woche 2009" and shows the russian Sailship
"MIR", one of the greatest Sailships in the world.
Greetz
Hinnerker
As i see, you cant follow the link not directly, so copy and paste in the Browser.. in the Forum you have to much artefacts..
After seeing the image, with Mozilla 3.5 you can see so much details.. thats what Leica stands for. _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
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tkbslc
Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 194 Location: Utah, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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tkbslc wrote:
tkbslc wrote: |
Seek better ones not the cheapest ones and you will find superb MF lenses. Contax Distagon for example... |
For Aps-C digicams, the Sigma 30 I mentioned is about as good as it gets. I know Sigma is not as prestigious a name as Zeiss, but there are also no older f1.4 lenses that are sharp right from f1.4 like the Sigma. Since 30mm is the new "normal 50mm prime" when placed on an Aps-C cam, you need something faster than f2.8, IMO. And you can use full time MF on the SIgma if that's your preference.
Plus like I mentioned, MF is rough on wider lenses - even the expensive ones. Just my opinion. I use both AF and MF and both have their place in my bag.
Sample from the Sigma 30 @ f1.4
_________________ Canon 30D + some AF and MF lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
tkbslc wrote: |
tkbslc wrote: |
Seek better ones not the cheapest ones and you will find superb MF lenses. Contax Distagon for example... |
For Aps-C digicams, the Sigma 30 I mentioned is about as good as it gets. I know Sigma is not as prestigious a name as Zeiss, but there are also no older f1.4 lenses that are sharp right from f1.4 like the Sigma. Since 30mm is the new "normal 50mm prime" when placed on an Aps-C cam, you need something faster than f2.8, IMO. And you can use full time MF on the SIgma if that's your preference.
Plus like I mentioned, MF is rough on wider lenses - even the expensive ones. Just my opinion. I use both AF and MF and both have their place in my bag. |
That is fine to use both. Especially if you like it's output. I had a Sigma cheap zoom 60-300mm in past I did like too. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 537 Location: East of France
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
No, supahmario , definitely not a problem of magnification effect . It's probably a 3D-Effect !
28mm : I vote for the smc-Takumar 3,5/28 , the Vivitar 2,5/28 , Tamron 2,5/28mm , Chinon 2,8/28 . |
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mikel
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 26 Location: SW Europe
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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mikel wrote:
Thanks everybody for your suggestions.
Thing is that, apart from the Tak, the others seem to be more scarce and tricky to find in fleabay. Will take my time for them. _________________ E. German: Pentacon Electric 29 f/2.8 + Pentacon Auto 135 f/2.8
Russian: Mir 24M 35 f/2 + Mir 1V 37 f/2.8 + Industar 50-2 f/3.5 + Helios 44 58 f/2 + Helios 44-2 58 f/2
Japanese: Vivitar 28 f/2.5 + SMC Takumar 50 f/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55 f/2 + S-M-C Takumar 105 f/2.8 + S-M-C Takumar 200 f/4 |
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mikel
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 26 Location: SW Europe
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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mikel wrote:
Finally... the Vivitar 28mm f/2.5 is coming home. _________________ E. German: Pentacon Electric 29 f/2.8 + Pentacon Auto 135 f/2.8
Russian: Mir 24M 35 f/2 + Mir 1V 37 f/2.8 + Industar 50-2 f/3.5 + Helios 44 58 f/2 + Helios 44-2 58 f/2
Japanese: Vivitar 28 f/2.5 + SMC Takumar 50 f/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55 f/2 + S-M-C Takumar 105 f/2.8 + S-M-C Takumar 200 f/4 |
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