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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: Leica Digilux 2 - ISO400 comparison |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Hi!
One thing that everybody complains about is the rotten ISO400 performance of the Digilux 2.
Yes, it's not good at all if you use JPEG. When shot in RAW things get much better. But since RAW is pretty slow with this cam, most users will choose the JPG mode.
Today I have compared three 5 MPix cams at ISO400: Leica Digilux 2 (2/3" sensor), Minolta DiMage7 (2/3" sensor) and Panasonic Lumix FZ20 (1/2.5" sensor).
Plus, I have applied the NoiseNinja filter to see what is possible.
Here is the basic image and the crop selection:
And here are the example images:
These crops show that:
- The Digilux 2 shots are the sharpest.
- The Digilux 2 produces bad but rather fine grained noise at ISO400.
- The DiMage 7 is a little better with noise at ISO400 but shows less details than the Digilux.
- The Lumix FZ20 shows noise that comes in patches of colours. Detail level go down considerably.
- NoiseNinja can reduce the noise of all three cams.
- But after NoiseNinja even more details are lost in the FZ20 pic.
- NoiseNinja softens the DiMage7 shot clearly.
- The Digilux 2 image is handled well by NoiseNinja. There is still some noise visible, but since the colour noise is almost gone, it looks rather like grain.
>> The Digilux 2 plus NoiseNinja is a pretty good team and makes it possible to shoot with ISO400 even in JPG. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I think ISO 400 is crap on all 4/3 m4/3 and compacts at least this was my experience , RAW and noise reduction can help a lot that for sure. Thanks for this comparative tests! _________________ -------------------------------
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Hari
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
very nice test! _________________
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Leica does reasonably. Minolta worse. Panasonic real crap. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
it is like comparing 3 stones to find which one float better _________________ T* |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
poilu wrote: |
it is like comparing 3 stones to find which one float better |
Says the one who seems to compare 5 year old compact cams with modern DSLRs.
Of course, none of these cams can perform on the same level a modern DSLR can. But apart from the EVIL compacts hardly a new compact cam would do better than the Leica here. My Lumix FX37 surely is worse at ISO400.
And those compact cams that can do better do either not have a the genuine Leica feeling* (DP1) or are much more expensive (X1) or have no viewfinder (EP1, GF1 etc). The Digilux is a perfect compromise with a fantastic lens. I wish they would have made the Digilux 3 the same cam with new software and a modern sensor.
*which really exists! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Leica does reasonably. Minolta worse. Panasonic real crap. |
+1 _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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