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Jupiter 11 Contax Mount by KOMZ
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Jupiter 11 Contax Mount by KOMZ Reply with quote
I have a couple of Jupiter 11 lenses and although different mounts, both come from KOMZ factory.
I had a random thought - did any other factory make Jupiter 11 lenses?
Anyway here is the lens and some images from it.
All taken on Fuji X-E2s, LR6 and NIK PP
Tom


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice one you have, seems mint !
Thanks to Pierre : KMZ produced them for Kiev and LTM from 1950, then the production was all made by KOMZ by the year 1958. Arsenal also made them for Kiev from 1969 to ??


PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Musashichan wrote:
Nice one you have, seems mint !
Thanks to Pierre : KMZ produced them for Kiev and LTM from 1950, then the production was all made by KOMZ by the year 1958. Arsenal also made them for Kiev from 1969 to ??


Thank you Musashichan.
It is an impressive lens.
Here is another shot or two from it
Tom


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes seems nice, i rarely experienced a bad silver J11 ; always sharp WO but nice bokeh, not too harsh. The only issue is minimum focus range...but easy to fix with a short below on digital !


PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Musashichan wrote:
Yes seems nice, i rarely experienced a bad silver J11 ; always sharp WO but nice bokeh, not too harsh. The only issue is minimum focus range...but easy to fix with a short below on digital !

Yes that can be an issue.
This one is just under 1.5m so not too bad.
Here is one that I took this afternoon.
I could not get too close without startling the pigeons, so this is a crop of the original - maybe 60%
Tom


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In fact, the production started before 1950 with ZK's.
And to be more precise, Arsenal also made Jupiter-11, but in Automat mount.
I made here a graphic with the Jupiter-11 (and 37) production in times. Colors are for different plants, and every line is for a different mount/system.
Some informations are missing, but I think it's a good start to get an overall view of the J-11 prodution



PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you Pierre - that is awesome
Tom


PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pierre!! Like 1 Like 1 Like 1


PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great job Pierre.
Thank you.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You're welcome!
Always a pleasure to help Friends


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jupiter-11 KMZ 1957 for Kiev (RF)

DSC01443 by Mr TTT, on Flickr

DSC01456 by Mr TTT, on Flickr

DSC01478 by Mr TTT, on Flickr

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice pictures !
Thank you. Smile


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:
Nice pictures !
Thank you. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like the colors.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a '64 KOMZ Jupiter-11 with a 39mm mount. The glass is in beautiful shape, but unfortunately it's not very sharp - not nearly as sharp as the images I see others post from this lens. Mine's not sharp even at f8 or f11, which is disappointing.

That doesn't mean I haven't managed some excellent portraits with it, however.

The most noteworthy characteristic of my J-11 is the exceptionally good color rendering, as caspert79 noted.

I don't plan to sell it, but I might get another one someday to see if I get better results.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KEO wrote:
I have a '64 KOMZ Jupiter-11 with a 39mm mount. The glass is in beautiful shape, but unfortunately it's not very sharp - not nearly as sharp as the images I see others post from this lens. Mine's not sharp even at f8 or f11, which is disappointing.


Your lens might be faulty as it should be already very sharp at F4, at least in the center.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excellent sergtum.
I have owned several Jupiter 11 lenses in different mounts but the best was the Kiev/Contax version like yours.
Excellent lens for sure
Tom


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
KEO wrote:
I have a '64 KOMZ Jupiter-11 with a 39mm mount. The glass is in beautiful shape, but unfortunately it's not very sharp - not nearly as sharp as the images I see others post from this lens. Mine's not sharp even at f8 or f11, which is disappointing.


Your lens might be faulty as it should be already very sharp at F4, at least in the center.


Yes, I agree. It's just consistently not very sharp. It makes me sad, actually, because I can see the lens's good qualities too.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What camera do you use the Jupiter-11 on? If it is not sharp on a rangefinder camera, it probably needs to be adjusted.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fiftyonepointsix wrote:
What camera do you use the Jupiter-11 on? If it is not sharp on a rangefinder camera, it probably needs to be adjusted.


Fujifilm X-T2. No valid excuses for the lack of sharpness, I'm afraid.

I have a host of old 135 f4 lenses, and my J11 is just plain soft, even in the center, even stopped down. I don't think I've ever managed a shot I would consider "sharp" with it.

In contrast, my Voigtlander Super Dynarex is incredibly sharp. It lights up my focus peaking like a Christmas tree, even when peaking is set to low.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My voigt dynarex 135 is sharp also ,vintage colors but 4meters is too much (I should buy a helical suppose) , in fact is the smallest 135 I've ever seen . My copy suffers from decementing ,stiff focus ,so doesn't get much use, even though I'm about to buy a dynarex 90mm 3.4 which I can't find info about . And that's weird....


PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:
Excellent sergtum.
I have owned several Jupiter 11 lenses in different mounts but the best was the Kiev/Contax version like yours.
Excellent lens for sure
Tom

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Russian lenses are infamous for sample-to-sample variation, and I will attest to that from first-hand experience of shooting with some 200 Jupiter-3's.

I have a couple of J-11's, the current KMZ in LTM is sharp- but I have not yet shot with it side-by-side with the Nikkor and others.

My KOMZ in Contax mount is also very sharp, is unusual that it is in a beautiful green paint. Probably for use by the military.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fiftyonepointsix wrote:
Russian lenses are infamous for sample-to-sample variation, and I will attest to that from first-hand experience of shooting with some 200 Jupiter-3's.

I have a couple of J-11's, the current KMZ in LTM is sharp- but I have not yet shot with it side-by-side with the Nikkor and others.

My KOMZ in Contax mount is also very sharp, is unusual that it is in a beautiful green paint. Probably for use by the military.


That would be interesting to see.
Would you be able to post a picture.
Thank you
Tom


PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jupiter-11, Special Paint by fiftyonepointsix, on Flickr

Jupiter-11, Special Paint by fiftyonepointsix, on Flickr

Jupiter-11, Special Paint by fiftyonepointsix, on Flickr

I've only seen two like this. I found this one at a Photorama Camera show, 15 years ago, for $20.
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