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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: Interesting tests of a few legacy lenses v native m4/3 optic |
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nemesis101 wrote:
http://admiringlight.com/blog/12-lenses-spanning-50-years-do-battle/2/
I have the m4/3 40-150mm Oly and can attest to its quality. I was surprised at how good this lens which came in a two lens kit actually performs _________________ Lenses and cameras:
Amateurs worry about equipment
Pros worry about money,
Masters worry about light. |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Interesting report, thanks for sharing!.
Regards.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
garbage test _________________ T* |
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Jman13
Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Posts: 3 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Jman13 wrote:
poilu wrote: |
garbage test |
Care to elaborate? (I'm curious, since I'm the one who did the tests.) Did you see all three parts of the test (which further did Edge sharpness and bokeh)? I know this didn't test the lenses at infinity or longer distances, and is therefore somewhat limited, but for what I did do, I think I did pretty methodically.
Any suggestions to help make future tests better? (aside from a better complement of lenses) |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
You shouldn't compare together wide angle lenses, standard lenses, tele lenses, and zoom lenses, and you should not compare
apertures of f/1.2 and f/5.6
It's worlds apart, it's really like comparing apples with oranges.
A 57mm prime lens at f/1.2 has no comparison basis with a 15-45mm zoom lens at f/5.6
Another aspect: most lenses (if not all, except macro lenses) are optimized for infinity use. Testing on a bookshelf can give an idea
of how better/worse they deal with a non-ideal situation, but the lenses should really be tested and compared at infinity use. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Jman13
Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Posts: 3 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Jman13 wrote:
Thanks. I see some of your point, but I disgree with you on others.
As to your first point, yes, I compare zooms and primes together, which normally wouldn't be a fair thing...for the zooms. The thing is, here the zooms are actually in many cases better than many of the primes. There's no 'disadvantage' to the zoom lenses.
I don't know where you're coming from with regards to focal length, though....all of these lenses are of similar focal length, and so when shot on the same format, act in the same manner. Sure, a 50mm legacy lens is a standard lens design and the 45/1.8 is a telephoto design, but they have similar fields of view on m4/3, and since that is the format I use, and it is VERY common to use 50mm lenses as short telephotos on m4/3, I think it is extremely valid to compare them to each other. When one chooses a lens for the job, they aren't concerned with the optical design used to create the image, but rather "does it have the right field of view, aperture and image quality I want."
As to maximum aperture, of course it's more difficult for the ultra-wide aperture lenses wide open, which is why I also compared them stopped down.
I disagree entirely about the infinity use being where they 'should' be tested. On micro 4/3, these lenses occupy the classic 'portrait' focal range. While of course people shoot at infinity with this focal length, the main use for these lenses on m4/3 would likely be in the portrait category....which is a much closer focusing distance. When I'm comparing fast primes of this length, I'm concerned about bokeh and wide aperture performance at short to medium distances, which is why the test was done at approximately 1m. You may disagree, and that's fine, but that's my reasoning. Sure, some of these lenses may have performed better at infinity than close up, but for my purposes, that is very secondary compared to close field performance. (Also, having extensively used all of these lenses, I can tell you that there wouldn't be a whole lot of difference on distant subjects with regards to sharpness).
Ultimately, I tested all of the lenses against each other because I happen to have a bunch of lenses in this focal length and was simply curious one day. If you want to ignore the slow zooms or the two macro lenses, then you don't have to look at those crops if you don't want to, and suddenly you have 8 lenses to compare, which are between 40-57mm at apertures between f/1.2 and f/2. The macros, though, I view as completely valid for comparision as many people (myself included) use or have used macro lenses as ideal portrait lenses as well.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
welcome Jman13
Orio wrote it better than me, comparing apple to orange is not helpful
'garbage' is a strong word, sorry but I am happy it made you register to mflenses _________________ T* |
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Jman13
Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Posts: 3 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jman13 wrote:
Thanks. I addressed some of the concerns above. My only real regret with this, is that I no longer have some of my favorite 50s I've owned (SMC Takumar 50/1.4 and Zeiss C/Y 50/1.7)...but oh well, you use what you have, right? |
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yinyangbt
Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 1973 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
Jman13 wrote: |
Thanks. I addressed some of the concerns above. My only real regret with this, is that I no longer have some of my favorite 50s I've owned (SMC Takumar 50/1.4 and Zeiss C/Y 50/1.7)...but oh well, you use what you have, right? |
Guess what : you can allways buy another Tak or Zeiss C/Y ! That's we are doing and we are happy here ! welcome aboard ! _________________ Cheers , Teo
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