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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
caspert79 wrote:
I love the old Nikkor-H 85/1.8, fabulous lens


Absolutely! That would have been my recommendation as well!


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I like to use more Carl Zeiss Sonnar 85mm T* than anything else in this focal length... and I have many Smile superb performer on low cost


Do you have any now/Are you going to have any available soon? A quick search on ebay reveals a bunch for sale, but at BIN prices that are probably ridiculous (as BIN prices usually are...)


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Make an offer.. on them, I am willing to sell probably a Jupiter-9 M42 black and Pentacon 100mm soon.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
I love the old Nikkor-H 85/1.8, fabulous lens


Absolutely! That would have been my recommendation as well!


Can you believe I sold that lens ...... I was a student and needed the money. Crying or Very sad
Still feel the pain.......


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I posted in here thinking it would be between one of two lenses but didn't specify because I wanted to see what everyone suggested, but after reading all these responses and searching through picture galleries, I now have like 3 lenses I want to buy, and a few others I'd like to at least try out (and that's not counting the Helios, which I want to eventually get after I get a more "normal" 85)! This forum is incredibly informative, but also potentially dangerous to my bank account! Shocked


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tamron SP 90/2.5.

Been using it for video and stills for a long time.
Sharp enough wide open for video, nice neutral colours when used with Technicolor Cinestyle, no crazy bokeh and a nice action.
Added bonus of 1:2 macro.
Plenty around and can be had for well under your budget.

Anything shot with a J9 will stick out like a sore thumb if you're shooting with more than one lens.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Tamron SP 90/2.5.

Been using it for video and stills for a long time.
Sharp enough wide open for video, nice neutral colours when used with Technicolor Cinestyle, no crazy bokeh and a nice action.
Added bonus of 1:2 macro.
Plenty around and can be had for well under your budget.


Another I didn't consider... But I'm having trouble finding sample portraits with this lens - everyone seems to be in love with the macro feature (a nice bonus, yes, but not what I'm looking for).

Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Anything shot with a J9 will stick out like a sore thumb if you're shooting with more than one lens.


even if stopped down to f2.8 or further? I thought the crazy bokeh was supposed to calm down pretty quickly?


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
J-9 does not have a crazy bokeh, it's a classic Sonnar. My guess is that Alternate Internet ID meant a color signature of J-9.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
When considering a lens, I have been using a Flicker function to provide sample images. Perhaps you might also find this useful. In this example I have entered "jupiter 85mm". It searches on tags. You will see very much different types of rendering from the Jupiter depending on which model/mount and sensor size also influences the rendering.
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/jupiter+85mm/interesting/


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fermy wrote:
J-9 does not have a crazy bokeh, it's a classic Sonnar. My guess is that Alternate Internet ID meant a color signature of J-9.


maybe "crazy" was the wrong word, but it's certainly distinct wide open

woodrim wrote:
When considering a lens, I have been using a Flicker function to provide sample images. Perhaps you might also find this useful. In this example I have entered "jupiter 85mm". It searches on tags. You will see very much different types of rendering from the Jupiter depending on which model/mount and sensor size also influences the rendering.
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/jupiter+85mm/interesting/


Wow, thanks Woodrim! Searching for threads here with titles has been rather informative (thanks to what people add about the lens and others' reactions), but for straight examples of what it can do, this is a really helpful trick


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fermy wrote:
J-9 does not have a crazy bokeh, it's a classic Sonnar. My guess is that Alternate Internet ID meant a color signature of J-9.


No I mean the bokeh was fairly neutral on the Tamron. It can be quite distracting on some lenses.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Anything shot with a J9 will stick out like a sore thumb if you're shooting with more than one lens.


even if stopped down to f2.8 or further? I thought the crazy bokeh was supposed to calm down pretty quickly?


Possibly if you get a decent one. In my experience they can be a bit hit and miss (I only ever used M42 though).
More like f4 at best on the ones I used - the Tamron is usable for filming wide open.
As for video - the preset aperture is a bonus but it can also be a pain in the arse - one slight nudge while you're focusing and you've ruined the shot.
I liked it for stills but I'm glad I did a thorough test before using it for any important video - maybe I'm just cack-handed.

I don't think you can get much better value than the Tamron around 80-90mm, you might get a J9 for less and who knows you might get lucky!

I suppose if you bought one it would always resell pretty easliy.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
I love the old Nikkor-H 85/1.8, fabulous lens


Absolutely! That would have been my recommendation as well!


Can't believe what just happened! I found a Nikkor-H 85/1.8 on 10 km distance from my house for a good, I'm so happy!!!! I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Quote:
Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Anything shot with a J9 will stick out like a sore thumb if you're shooting with more than one lens.


even if stopped down to f2.8 or further? I thought the crazy bokeh was supposed to calm down pretty quickly?


Possibly if you get a decent one. In my experience they can be a bit hit and miss (I only ever used M42 though).
More like f4 at best on the ones I used - the Tamron is usable for filming wide open.
As for video - the preset aperture is a bonus but it can also be a pain in the arse - one slight nudge while you're focusing and you've ruined the shot.
I liked it for stills but I'm glad I did a thorough test before using it for any important video - maybe I'm just cack-handed.


No, I could totally see that as an issue. the one time I shot video with a preset aperture, I was purposefully shooting very loose, with some overexposure and slightly missed focus (kind of making fun of awful handheld cinematography I've seen), so it wasn't an issue. But for something more serious, I imagine it could be a problem, and the last thing you need on set is another thing that can go wrong...

Fortunately there's a big camera show coming up on Sunday, so I'm going to try to find copies of as many 80-85mms mentioned and try them out, as well as any others I can find, since having it in hand should tell me more than pictures on the internet. But I'm glad I started this thread as it's given me a few ideas on what to look for (and what I don't want)...

caspert79 wrote:
Can't believe what just happened! I found a Nikkor-H 85/1.8 on 10 km distance from my house for a good, I'm so happy!!!! I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.


awesome! Smile


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know a few other pro camera ops who swear by Canon 70-200/2.8 and a couple who prefer the f4 (full frame though).

As mentioned earlier there are plenty of constant aperture zooms around 3.5-4 - all as cheap as chips when compared to a prime, but more versatile.

In fact I might have a sneaky bid on a Tamron 70-150/3.5 to see what it's like.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alternate Internet ID wrote:
I know a few other pro camera ops who swear by Canon 70-200/2.8 and a couple who prefer the f4 (full frame though).

As mentioned earlier there are plenty of constant aperture zooms around 3.5-4 - all as cheap as chips when compared to a prime, but more versatile.

In fact I might have a sneaky bid on a Tamron 70-150/3.5 to see what it's like.


actually I like my tamron sp 70-210 f3.5 for video a lot - the main problem being size/weight: it has a very pleasant rendering, and it's a pleasure to use.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aanything wrote:

actually I like my tamron sp 70-210 f3.5 for video a lot - the main problem being size/weight: it has a very pleasant rendering, and it's a pleasure to use.


Had a mint condition one a while back and got rid of it in a big clear out - never got round to using it for filming.
Embarassed


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
caspert79 wrote:
LucisPictor wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
I love the old Nikkor-H 85/1.8, fabulous lens


Absolutely! That would have been my recommendation as well!


Can't believe what just happened! I found a Nikkor-H 85/1.8 on 10 km distance from my house for a good, I'm so happy!!!! I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.


Enjoy! Shots from my old/departed 85/1.8-H

100% crop



Full frame...


near 100% crop


Last edited by mfkita on Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:31 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
strangelove wrote:

Another I didn't consider... But I'm having trouble finding sample portraits with this lens - everyone seems to be in love with the macro feature (a nice bonus, yes, but not what I'm looking for).


It's good for portraiture too. I don't have any online samples, but you really have to work hard to find lenses around this focal length that are bad for portraiture.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In the cheap side, the retinas schneider 4/85 is a good one.

Good taker, light, small.

Nice to try.


PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
so I wandered around a camera show in Pasadena on Sunday and tried on a few primes mentioned here, as well as others, and I learned a few things

1: 75-90mm may be a popular focal range, but people don't seem to part with them as quickly as they do other lenses. I finally started just asking each vendor if they had anything in the range I was looking for because so few had anything used to offer... It was mostly 50s, with a scattering of wides, long telephotos and zooms
2: the Jupiter-9 I tried was awful - then again, I think something was wrong with the coating (not to mention the seller, who was asking $250 for it) as everything had a sickening orange/yellow tinge (and I double-checked my white balance because I thought something was wrong)... kind of put me off the lens, although I know there must be great copies out there thanks to its popularity, but it was so unpleasant
3: more than a stepless aperture, a long focus throw is probably more important to me... admittedly, I already kind of knew this, but when I tried a few lenses, having a long smooth focus just felt so much better in my hands
4: up until now, I've never understood glass that cost more than a couple hundred dollars, but then a vendor had a Leica 90mm 2.8 that he was happy to let me try out... damn him!


PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mfkita wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
LucisPictor wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
I love the old Nikkor-H 85/1.8, fabulous lens


Absolutely! That would have been my recommendation as well!


Can't believe what just happened! I found a Nikkor-H 85/1.8 on 10 km distance from my house for a good, I'm so happy!!!! I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.


Enjoy! Shots from my old/departed 85/1.8-H

100% crop



Full frame...


near 100% crop


Awesome picture, good MF skills!
I have the lens here in front of me, it turned out to be the H.C. version. I'm only waiting for my adapter now, can't wait to use it!
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