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wuxiekeji
Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Posts: 213
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: Extreme macro lenses? |
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What are good manual focus extreme macro (5:1 - 1:1) lenses? I know Canon makes an MP-E 60mm but it's plastic. I'm wondering what similar lenses exist in the world of M42/old Nikon/anything adaptable to Canon EF mount, that are made of at least metal housing (so I won't break it on hiking trips) and have nice buttery focus ring with minimal backlash.
I have a 1:1 C-Y Zeiss 100/2.8 which is damn good as-is at but it doesn't do very well past 2:1 with extension tubes.
What did people use for extreme macro in the pre-digital days? _________________ Canon EOS 6D | Canon EOS 60D | Canon EOS-M | Voigtlander Nokton 1.4/35 | Zeiss Distagon C-Y 4/18 | Zeiss Distagon ZF 2/28 | Samyang 1.4/35 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/50 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/85 | Zeiss Makro-Planar C-Y 2.8/100 | Zeiss Sonnar C-Y 2.8/135 | Nikkor ED Ai-S 2.8/180 | Canon FD SSC Fluorite 2.8/300 | Tair-3S 4.5/300 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Reverse mounted any lens ? I know Pancolar is very good reverse mounted _________________ -------------------------------
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Gurdie
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 997 Location: Finland
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
There´s some info about special macro lenses at
http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html.
Click "Lenses" at left and scroll down the page. _________________ Markku
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
How do you want to use 3:1 in the field - there is no D-OF, you need to thwack the subject to keep still forever, etc. etc. Its more economical to catch the bug and shoot it later.
Most macro lenses go to 1:1 for a reason. In fact, 1:1 is only bearable by the no-cost of digital, shoot 20 and throw 18 away. |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
Are you carrying a zoom lens with you? Then you have the option to "stack" lenses to make a zoom supermacro lens. Let's say you're already carrying a 70-210mm zoom. Then if you also carry a 50mm prime, and a "reversing ring" with the filter threads of the zoom on one side and threads of the 50mm on the other, all you have to do is screw the 50mm onto the zoom "face to face" and you have a 1.4x to 4.2x continuously-variable zoom supermacro lens. The quality of this setup can be very, very good...Ray |
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3242 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
What plastic has to do with performance?
Canon MP-E is the only dedicated lens who delivers a 5X magnification.
I know a few people on different forums who are using it on a regular basis.
None of them complain that is made of plastic. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 524 Location: WA, USA
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
Himself wrote: |
Canon MP-E is the only dedicated lens who delivers a 5X magnification.
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There is also the Yasuhara Nanoha for MFT, which provides 4x-5x magnification. |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
If what you care most about is getting high mag with excellent image quality, microscope objectives will give you great performance. You would just need to swap them out if you want to change magnification... |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16641 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:47 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I made a special site for those with data, usueful range etc. many years ago and have
collected many (>500 showing some 300 of them): http://macrolenses.de
It usually comes up in Google's top 5, I wonder why you haven't seen it yet.... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4744 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:32 am Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
Himself wrote: |
What plastic has to do with performance?
Canon MP-E is the only dedicated lens who delivers a 5X magnification.
I know a few people on different forums who are using it on a regular basis.
None of them complain that is made of plastic. |
read the question again and you will get the answer _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16641 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:40 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I had the Canon MP-E a few years ago and it is not plastic (if they kept the design that is...). Tack sharp lens it is, easy to use, except the large front makes proper macro lighting a bit uneasy. Today I prefer helicoids and/or bellows with a dedicated macro lens (Zeiss Luminar, Nikon Macro Nikkor, Leitz Photar in that sequence) for such magnifications. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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parabellumfoto
Joined: 06 Apr 2013 Posts: 413 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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parabellumfoto wrote:
Have any of you heard of this lens?
Yasuhara Nanoha Macro Lens 5:1 for Sony E Mount (NEX)
It's freaky looking because it has lights at the front. I would be interested if anybody here has experience with this lens.
On another note, I have a proper Nikon extension tube that I have tried with my Nikkor f2 50mm but its no good. Magnification is so strong that it doesn't pick up anything in focus. Depth of field is non-existent.
I haven't tried it with my 35mm AFS 1.8G auto lens yet so I'm reminded by this thread to test it out. With the 50mm on my D3200 it doesn't work. Maybe it's because the camera is crop sensor. _________________ Minolta MC Rokkor f1.4 50mm
Minolta MD Zoom Macro 35-105mm f3.5-4.5
Nikon Nikkor 50mm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-S Auto 5cm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-Q Auto 135mm F2.8
Nikon AF-S Nikkor 35mm F1.8G
http://www.parabellumfoto.com/ |
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
parabellumfoto wrote: |
Have any of you heard of this lens?
Yasuhara Nanoha Macro Lens 5:1 for Sony E Mount (NEX)
It's freaky looking because it has lights at the front. I would be interested if anybody here has experience with this lens.
On another note, I have a proper Nikon extension tube that I have tried with my Nikkor f2 50mm but its no good. Magnification is so strong that it doesn't pick up anything in focus. Depth of field is non-existent.
I haven't tried it with my 35mm AFS 1.8G auto lens yet so I'm reminded by this thread to test it out. With the 50mm on my D3200 it doesn't work. Maybe it's because the camera is crop sensor. |
Looks interesting but the built-in lights are a concern. Lighting is one of the things that need fine adjustment, and having them be fixed doesn't give any flexibility. I can't tell if you can turn on the lights individually or not. The lens is $500, cheaper than the MPE but it also seems to be fixed at 5x, maybe adjustable to 4x? Worth looking into if you are using NEX or other MILC.
Your 50mm might be giving a magnification of 1x - maybe 2x on reasonable extension tubes. Should work fine! |
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parabellumfoto
Joined: 06 Apr 2013 Posts: 413 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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parabellumfoto wrote:
Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
parabellumfoto wrote: |
Have any of you heard of this lens?
Yasuhara Nanoha Macro Lens 5:1 for Sony E Mount (NEX)
It's freaky looking because it has lights at the front. I would be interested if anybody here has experience with this lens.
On another note, I have a proper Nikon extension tube that I have tried with my Nikkor f2 50mm but its no good. Magnification is so strong that it doesn't pick up anything in focus. Depth of field is non-existent.
I haven't tried it with my 35mm AFS 1.8G auto lens yet so I'm reminded by this thread to test it out. With the 50mm on my D3200 it doesn't work. Maybe it's because the camera is crop sensor. |
Looks interesting but the built-in lights are a concern. Lighting is one of the things that need fine adjustment, and having them be fixed doesn't give any flexibility. I can't tell if you can turn on the lights individually or not. The lens is $500, cheaper than the MPE but it also seems to be fixed at 5x, maybe adjustable to 4x? Worth looking into if you are using NEX or other MILC.
Your 50mm might be giving a magnification of 1x - maybe 2x on reasonable extension tubes. Should work fine! |
My Nikon extension tube says M2 so I guess it's 2x.
As for this other lens, the lights are detachable if my memory is correct. I would like to know if it is any good. _________________ Minolta MC Rokkor f1.4 50mm
Minolta MD Zoom Macro 35-105mm f3.5-4.5
Nikon Nikkor 50mm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-S Auto 5cm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-Q Auto 135mm F2.8
Nikon AF-S Nikkor 35mm F1.8G
http://www.parabellumfoto.com/ |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
I made a special site for those with data, usueful range etc. many years ago and have
collected many (>500 showing some 300 of them): http://macrolenses.de |
It is a very impressive collection and surely a useful site for someone already into these lenses, but I must say that I've visited that site several times due to links on this forum, and I've never been able to extract any “special macro lens beginner” information from it, e.g., which adapters and focusing systems should I get for which lenses, which mount should I prefer given the choice, do they cover, e.g., FF or APS-C, etc. And there are so many lenses in the list that googling each separately is not an option, so without external info it's just a list of unknown lenses of unknown price, availability, and properties.
Please not that I'm not not saying that it's a bad site, I'm sure it's very useful for the already initiated and could be that you just want to keep it as a reference for such people. But as a response to the question in this topic it does not really work… But some kind of FAQ/tutorial/how-to would make it great, especially if you included some lens recommendations in a couple of price ranges.
kds315* wrote: |
It usually comes up in Google's top 5, I wonder why you haven't seen it yet.... |
I think google might have learned your connection to the site and that's why you get it high in the results. For me the search “macro lenses” has it on the second page of results (position 14 currently) and in the search “high magnification macro lenses” it does not show up in the first 400 results.
The site needs more text about the lenses to get higher in the rankings, list-type pages are hard to get high in google results due to spammers making word lists. |
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phoeniks
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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phoeniks wrote:
I use a cheap combo canon FD 28mm reverse on extension tubes /36mm/ and flash. so far so good
got the idea here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqRn3at0H60
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
parabellumfoto wrote: |
My Nikon extension tube says M2 so I guess it's 2x.
As for this other lens, the lights are detachable if my memory is correct. I would like to know if it is any good. |
The Nikon M2 is just a 27.5mm extension tube with no optics. Along with your 50mm lens it probably won't even get you to 1:1. If you're having issues with DOF with just this extension, then 5x is going to be a disaster... |
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parabellumfoto
Joined: 06 Apr 2013 Posts: 413 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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parabellumfoto wrote:
Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
parabellumfoto wrote: |
My Nikon extension tube says M2 so I guess it's 2x.
As for this other lens, the lights are detachable if my memory is correct. I would like to know if it is any good. |
The Nikon M2 is just a 27.5mm extension tube with no optics. Along with your 50mm lens it probably won't even get you to 1:1. If you're having issues with DOF with just this extension, then 5x is going to be a disaster... |
I just tried it again. I shot a dead mosquito and will post a sample later on today. Depth of field appears to be about 3mm.
With this combination it's the best magnification I can get from the lenses that I have. It's closer than my Rokkor on an adapter. _________________ Minolta MC Rokkor f1.4 50mm
Minolta MD Zoom Macro 35-105mm f3.5-4.5
Nikon Nikkor 50mm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-S Auto 5cm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-Q Auto 135mm F2.8
Nikon AF-S Nikkor 35mm F1.8G
http://www.parabellumfoto.com/ |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
I vote for any reversed 20-50mm lens - cheap and good! Forget tubes!
Reversed decent enlarger lenses <=50mm are also very good (Rodagon, E-Nikkor,...)
Up to 3:1 I'm using mostly Noritsu 50.7/9.5 (use search function) - very good and comparable versatile as it works wonderful through the whole magnification range without reversing etc.
The lenses KDS named are generally better though.
And I guess the highest resolution you can obtain with high-end scientific 5x microscope lenses from Mitutoyo, Nikon, Olympus, Zeiss, Leitz and so on. But they also have vignetting an most of them need dedicated tubes lenses optimum performance. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
I vote for any reversed 20-50mm lens - cheap and good! Forget tubes!
Reversed decent enlarger lenses <=50mm are also very good (Rodagon, E-Nikkor,...)
Up to 3:1 I'm using mostly Noritsu 50.7/9.5 (use search function) - very good and comparable versatile as it works wonderful through the whole magnification range without reversing etc.
The lenses KDS named are generally better though.
And I guess the highest resolution you can obtain with high-end scientific 5x microscope lenses from Mitutoyo, Nikon, Olympus, Zeiss, Leitz and so on. |
My preferred solutions at 3x and 5x are the Nikon Measurescope objectives. They are nearly telecentric and have exceptional working distances. The 5x is the sharpest I've ever tested in the center, even better than my Mitutoyo 5x MPlan Apo, and still quite good at the edges of APS-C. Working distance of the 5x is about 75mm, which is what you would expect for a macro lens at 1x, not a 5x objective. |
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:12 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
yeah wait a moment F11 starting aperture?
"No one will notice" right?
(On a smallish nex sensor! yay!) |
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
The Nikon M2 is just a 27.5mm extension tube with no optics. Along with your 50mm lens it probably won't even get you to 1:1. |
nikon m2 is matching tube for nikkor 55mm macro to achieve 1:1 _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
http://forum.mflenses.com/wolverinex-testing-my-lenses-series-link-list-t39524.html |
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parabellumfoto
Joined: 06 Apr 2013 Posts: 413 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:53 am Post subject: |
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parabellumfoto wrote:
WolverineX wrote: |
Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
The Nikon M2 is just a 27.5mm extension tube with no optics. Along with your 50mm lens it probably won't even get you to 1:1. |
nikon m2 is matching tube for nikkor 55mm macro to achieve 1:1 |
So if I find a 55mm I will have a set then.
What aperture is this 55mm Nikon macro?
Edit: found the answer already by looking at Wolverine's lens collection.
3.5
Probably a very good lens if it's in that collection as well. _________________ Minolta MC Rokkor f1.4 50mm
Minolta MD Zoom Macro 35-105mm f3.5-4.5
Nikon Nikkor 50mm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-S Auto 5cm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-Q Auto 135mm F2.8
Nikon AF-S Nikkor 35mm F1.8G
http://www.parabellumfoto.com/ |
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
parabellumfoto wrote: |
What aperture is this 55mm Nikon macro?
Edit: found the answer already by looking at Wolverine's lens collection.
3.5 |
there is also 2.8 version _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
http://forum.mflenses.com/wolverinex-testing-my-lenses-series-link-list-t39524.html |
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parabellumfoto
Joined: 06 Apr 2013 Posts: 413 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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parabellumfoto wrote:
WolverineX wrote: |
parabellumfoto wrote: |
What aperture is this 55mm Nikon macro?
Edit: found the answer already by looking at Wolverine's lens collection.
3.5 |
there is also 2.8 version |
OK thanks. I'll keep an eye out for both.
My 50mm Nikkor gets a very narrow depth of field with the extender. Makes it very hard for macro. I didn't get a chance to post a sample pic today. I will try to show the image tomorrow. _________________ Minolta MC Rokkor f1.4 50mm
Minolta MD Zoom Macro 35-105mm f3.5-4.5
Nikon Nikkor 50mm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-S Auto 5cm F2
Nippon Kogaku Japan Nikkor-Q Auto 135mm F2.8
Nikon AF-S Nikkor 35mm F1.8G
http://www.parabellumfoto.com/ |
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