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Hi
I have picked up 6 rolls of Kodak Gold expired in 11/2006.They said it was stored in a cool dry place.They have 9 more lots of 6 to buy if these work out 
What should I expect from this film...should I just go ahead and use it as I would any other film on photos that I would want to keep and hope for the best that it works ok or should I use the first roll on anything and everything.Would the first roll be a good indicator of what the other rolls would act like or is it too variable with out of date films to judge one against the other.
I have read on here that the results in processing can be unpredictable with older out of date films but is 2006 really that old in film use by time?
Thanks to all who comment as I have no experience with out of date film and would like some informed opinions.
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Attila wrote:
If it was cold stored really I not expect any significant trouble. I always use expired films, slides...
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I've a stack of outdated film and get excellent results......heat is the enemy of film, so if you find a roll of film that's been out in the Australian desert for a long time, you'll probably see some weird results.
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mo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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I am unsure if cool,dry place is a fridge...I never asked the question just bought it as it was BIN of $10+$6 postage...I suppose I could still ask for a better definition of cool dry place,but I believe for the above price it was worth the risk 
This is a quote from the sale
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| Because film has expired I can't guarantee results however I have seen processed results and the film seems fine |
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Attila wrote:
99,9% it will be fine. don't worry.
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mo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| 99,9% it will be fine. don't worry. |
I am sure you are right... 
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Here you go, Kodak gold 200asa, 6 years old, two different rolls used over the weekend:-
Supermarket scan, Vivitar 28mm close focus, and I've just used high pass sharpening.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/Photo25_22.jpg
Supermarket scan, meyer lens, and I've just used high pass sharpening.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/Photo18_15.jpg
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mo
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mo wrote:
Very nice...I am really encouraged by these results.
Thank you for taking the time to show me! I expect the film any day now...
I like that boat shot with the bright colours.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
***I like that boat shot with the bright colours.***
In this shot, in the distance, they were taking shots of the boats...the DSLR on the tripod (posted previously) made my film camera look tiny.
Kodak gold 200, Supermarket scan, Vivitar 28mm close focus, high pass sharpening and an added feature of a house leaning over.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/Photo24_21.jpg
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mo wrote:
Another cool shot...you have some great subjects to photograph!
I love the husband and wife in the foreground...great teamwork happening
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Orio wrote:
Fridge is cool (obviously) but not dry.
You need to put the film inside tightly closed plastic bags.
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mo wrote:
I did not know that,thank you Orio!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Fridge is cool (obviously) but not dry.
You need to put the film inside tightly closed plastic bags. |
erm well I would have thought the plastic containers that the film comes in, would keep the film dry....I'll have to leave a container underwater and see what happens.
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kansalliskala wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
Fridge is cool (obviously) but not dry.
You need to put the film inside tightly closed plastic bags. |
erm well I would have thought the plastic containers that the film comes in, would keep the film dry....I'll have to leave a container underwater and see what happens. |
Does the odour that comes from the can tell anything? I mean does fresh film smell different?
Actually the old trick was to smuggle booze into some happenings in film cans (don't know how healthy it can be?)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Funny you talk about the smell I know the Fresh Fuji film smell is very powerful...and funny enough I did sniff the Kodak as it arrived today,and it still had the faint whiff of chemicals I will post the results here when I have finished the roll.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
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Does the odour that comes from the can tell anything? I mean does fresh film smell different?
Actually the old trick was to smuggle booze into some happenings in film cans (don't know how healthy it can be?) |
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"  So you are saying if the strong smell can't get out of the canister, then dampness can't get in?
Also some thin thickness plastics can be hydroscopic (I think that is the word from memory) in that dampness can pass through.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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It's in the cheese section of the fridge if that helps,with the slide over lid..... 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Put some Tilisit with films for two weeks and post us the results.
(actually: NEVER take Tilsit to a sailing boat without a fridge on a hot summer day)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilsit_cheese
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