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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:08 pm Post subject: Compared three of my best 50mm lenses........ |
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Zeeke wrote:
This is three F1.7 lenses at maximum aperture for comparing pop,bokeh and sharpness-
These are jpg from the camera and the sharpest ones of a bunch
Can you guess the lenses,one surprised me.
I have a few more that can be as good as these like Mamiya 55mm f1.4 and Super Takumar 8 element and more....
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
To be honest, with few exceptions, all 50mm lenses are more than good enough. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6005 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
I agree with Ian on the generally very good performance of most nifty-fifties.
Yours all look very good and I am hard pressed to see differences.
If I had to choose, then maybe the last one, but I have no idea which lenses were used.
Lovely model in all of them.
Thanks for sharing
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:37 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I'm pretty much in agreement, except for one lens -- a Helios 44M. Well, it's 58mm, so let's just call it a "normal." I was testing it alongside a Yashica M42 50mm and noticed in post that it just wasn't as sharp as the Yashica. The differences were minor, but they were noticeable.
I tend to evaluate normal lenses more in terms of their maximum aperture than their brand or model. _________________ Michael
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miran
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 1364 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:56 am Post subject: |
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miran wrote:
The most impressive thing I see in these photos is that you managed to convince your model to stay still while you changed lenses twice and took many shots with them.
Seriously though, not much difference in sharpness and contrast between them. The most noticable difference is in background blur. Third one looks the nicest to me, second one is worst and the first in between. _________________ my flickr stream |
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Raxar
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 226
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Raxar wrote:
color rendering is also a bit different.
1.MD 50/1.7
2.Y/C ML 50/1.7
3.Zenitar 50/1.7 or cosinon 50/1.7 |
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anktonio
Joined: 20 Oct 2012 Posts: 219 Location: Spain
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: |
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anktonio wrote:
Great results, the differences are very few or no... double gauss design all, eh? If you used three different lenses, I only can say that the three are good. The third photo is soft bokeh than the other two, as a means f/ step.
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To be honest, with few exceptions, all 50mm lenses are more than good enough. |
+1 Sure!
Happy shots! |
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
Raxar wrote: |
color rendering is also a bit different.
1.MD 50/1.7
2.Y/C ML 50/1.7
3.Zenitar 50/1.7 or cosinon 50/1.7 |
Spot on with the third Zenitar M 50mm f1,7
That lens seems to blur background more than other lenses att same aperture _________________ Pentax Ks1
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
miran wrote: |
The most impressive thing I see in these photos is that you managed to convince your model to stay still while you changed lenses twice and took many shots with them. . |
My daughter is fantastic that stands out with my stupidity...
I told her to lock att the same spot when I took the pictures and relax between.
Lens number one is Planar 50 f1.7 84xxxxx serial and I wanted to see if the so called Zeiss. "3D" is to be seen in an direct compression.......
Did the same compression with other motives and distances and more lenses,on glass kinda clear surface Zeiss has little little mor
Contrast otherwise it's mostly a heavy name would I say _________________ Pentax Ks1
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ChromaticAberration
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 819 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: |
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
I believe that when you're out there shooting with any of these lenses the differences are so mild it makes no sense to think about which one to take with you, they have basically the same performance to the naked, non-inspecting eye, which is a good think actually because it ends up demystifying that one should pay a premium for certain brands to get to an acceptable level of image quality. _________________ Body: Fujifilm X-E1
Landscapes: Samyang 12mm f/2 NCS CS
Macro: Vivitar Series 1 105mm Æ’/2.5
Portrait: Helios-44 58mm Æ’/2.0
Low-light: SMC Takumar 50mm Æ’/1.4
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
This is my 3 lenses with best wide open performance.I have others that are sharp but hazy and glowy.
What surprises me is that number two the cheap Minolta af 50mm F1.7 is this close to mighty ZEISS........
To continue my ranking I gives the forth place to Rollei planar 50mm f1.8 and there after it's harder to say
but maybe Pancolar and the the rest,,Olympus Om,Pentacon,Konica 50mm f1.8(not the 1.7) and on..... _________________ Pentax Ks1
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
ChromaticAberration wrote: |
I believe that when you're out there shooting with any of these lenses the differences are so mild it makes no sense to think about which one to take with you, they have basically the same performance to the naked, non-inspecting eye, which is a good think actually because it ends up demystifying that one should pay a premium for certain brands to get to an acceptable level of image quality. |
Yes your right they are very similar and i tend to like Russian lenses because they punches over expectations _________________ Pentax Ks1
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have the Minolta AF 1.7/50 and the MD version. They are indeed very close to the Planar 1.7/50 in performance. The late Minoltas were really great lenses with fantastic coatings. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
miran wrote: |
The most impressive thing I see in these photos is that you managed to convince your model to stay still while you changed lenses twice and took many shots with them.
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True! _________________ TELLTALE
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Rick1779
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I have the Minolta AF 1.7/50 and the MD version. They are indeed very close to the Planar 1.7/50 in performance. The late Minoltas were really great lenses with fantastic coatings. |
Totally agree, I have the MD 50/1.7 (and the mighty 45/2 with the same planarish formula) the MD 50/1.4 and the AF 50/1.4 _________________ TELLTALE
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:23 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
The idea all 50s are the same is ridiculous.
In these samples, I'll take #1
Each is quite distinct in this scenario, and I'd bet they don't look the same in many other situations as well. And I'm not even considering the crops, which are dead center at very high speed with nothing close to gauge how the lenses move in and out of focus. Very cute shot though
I imagine an alien confronted by vogue might also remark: oh these human models all look the same! _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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ChromaticAberration
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 819 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:40 am Post subject: |
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
ChromaticAberration wrote: |
I believe that when you're out there shooting with any of these lenses the differences are so mild it makes no sense to think about which one to take with you, they have basically the same performance to the naked, non-inspecting eye, which is a good think actually because it ends up demystifying that one should pay a premium for certain brands to get to an acceptable level of image quality. |
Yes your right they are very similar and i tend to like Russian lenses because they punches over expectations |
Given the better resale value of German or Japanese glass, financially wise I guess it makes sense to buy them. Image quality is another matter all together tough, one can't beat the price-quality ratio of Russian copies, period. _________________ Body: Fujifilm X-E1
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:47 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
The idea all 50s are the same is ridiculous.
In these samples, I'll take #1
Each is quite distinct in this scenario, and I'd bet they don't look the same in many other situations as well. And I'm not even considering the crops, which are dead center at very high speed with nothing close to gauge how the lenses move in and out of focus. Very cute shot though
I imagine an alien confronted by vogue might also remark: oh these human models all look the same! |
Nobody said they were all the same.
The small nuances of difference are irrelevant to most people, to other people they are reasons to spend large sums of money. Each to their own. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ChromaticAberration
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 819 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
uhoh7 wrote: |
The idea all 50s are the same is ridiculous.
In these samples, I'll take #1
Each is quite distinct in this scenario, and I'd bet they don't look the same in many other situations as well. And I'm not even considering the crops, which are dead center at very high speed with nothing close to gauge how the lenses move in and out of focus. Very cute shot though
I imagine an alien confronted by vogue might also remark: oh these human models all look the same! |
Nobody said they were all the same.
The small nuances of difference are irrelevant to most people, to other people they are reasons to spend large sums of money. Each to their own. |
Ridiculous is to believe that negligent differences in sharpness or bokeh smoothness are gonna take your photos to a whole other level, that is ridiculous.
But then again, people are "ridiculous" from the moment they pay between €100 and €200 for a German designed 50mm like a Planar or Pancolar so they can have "pop" and "smooth bokeh" and "uber sharpness" and then they go and pay the double for an Helios-40 so they can have a soft lens packing a bokeh that is more distracting than Kim Kardashian's cleavage...
I love people (and Kim Kardashian too)! _________________ Body: Fujifilm X-E1
Landscapes: Samyang 12mm f/2 NCS CS
Macro: Vivitar Series 1 105mm Æ’/2.5
Portrait: Helios-44 58mm Æ’/2.0
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7568 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Go to buy some fast 50s(F2 or F1.9) made in the 1950s for SLR. You will discover they are not quiet similar. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
This picture was taken at the maximum aperture with one of the cheapest 50mm lenses I have Pentacon 50mm f1.8
It is not a great picture, but it still shows the lens potential and that it surpasses me as a photographer......
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Jeff Zen
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 262 Location: Northwest USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Jeff Zen wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
This picture was taken at the maximum aperture with one of the cheapest 50mm lenses I have Pentacon 50mm f1.8
It is not a great picture, but it still shows the lens potential and that it surpasses me as a photographer...... |
I really, really like that one. Highlights are a little hot but Looks great to me! |
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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:58 am Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
Actually, I found the above portrait to be excellent. Yes, I bit hot, and probably due to the lens. But adjustable in post.
We all enjoy our gear and get caught up on gauging everything by the numbers. But in the end it's the image. And it doesn't require the most accurate color, highest contrast, or the sharpest, it's the composition and how much it emotionally engages the viewer.
All the photos presented are very nice, and your daughter is adorably charming and patient!
I chose #3 as my favorite, personal preference...not that I think it's best. It has an Olympus Zuiko look, but I know it couldn't have been them since their 50 is f/1.8. Contrasty, neutral, transparent.
#2 More warm, a touch less contrast and more flattering as a portrait lens than #1 or #3. She looked best in #2.
#1 is a combo of the other two.
The Russian is a surprise for me. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
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Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
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