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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: Compact and light weight 85mm? |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
What are the choices?
I am only aware of Zuiko 85/2, which is supposed to be excellent. But are there many difference versions of it like the 50/1.4?
Any other compact 85mm that are worth considering? Thanks. _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
jupiter-9, nikon 85mm f2 _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
i have a jupiter 85mm/2.0 which is pretty small and works nicely on my ep1--it can be had for about $100usd, or less if you are patient. its about the size of the helios 44, but a little heavier. takes great pictures even wide open. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I think you'll find that most 85mm lenses in the f/1.8 to f/2 range will be fairly compact. I've owned a Canon (New) FD 85mm f/1.8 and Nikon 85mm f/2, and both weren't much bigger than a 50mm f/1.4. _________________ Michael
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Jupiter-9 and Pancolar 80/1.8
Jupiter-9: 70 x 52,5 (width x height)
Pancolar: 65 x 55,5 (width x height)
Jupiter is slightly heavier. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
The SMC Pentax-M 85mm 1:2 is relatively small too (it shares the optical design with the Zuiko 85/2).
I don't find the 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar very small though.
_________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Thanks for all your reply. Perhaps I should rephrase the question as "Compact and light 85mm" as I feel that lens heavier than say 300g doesn't balance well on m4/3 (perhaps I should switch to FF )
The SMC-M looks very interesting, thanks Spotmatic, you seem to have an exquisite collection of 80s! _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
Peter, Great collection. Mike _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
Lenses
M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
what about a rangefinder lens--jupiter 9 comes in m39 mount and while i dont have one, it looks smaller and lighter than the m42 version... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
O I didn't know Jupiter-9 comes in m39 mount (silly me!) Do you know how much it weight? _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
+1 for SMC M 85/2, I had it with the Jupiter 9 and it is a little more small in diameter. _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
no sorry alex i dont know how much the m39 jupiter weighs as i have the m42 verson; you should take a look on ebay as there may be other 85mms as well. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I tried kitchen scale, but it isn't very accurate.
Jupiter-9 (silver LZOS SLR model) = 350-360g
Jupiter-9 (silver KMZ rangefinder model) = 320-330g
Pancolar 80/1.8 MC = 290-300g
the rangefinder model was probably a bit heavier originally - previous owner removed the part, which transfers focusing distance to camera body _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
CZ Sonnar 2.8/90mm (for Contax G1/G2)
http://forum.mflenses.com/contax-g-cz-sonnar-2-8-90-t22281.html
Better than all other lenses here _________________ Rolf |
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Thanks for the weight, no-X. The pancolar is too expensive for me
The Sonnar is surprisingly affordable, on the other hand. I have never use a G lens nor own the adapter. How does the focusing work? I heard that it's "awkward"? _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
The zuiko is a good choice and Rolf is correct the Contax G90 may be the best of all the lenses metioned.
The problem I see with the Zuiko and any other reflex lens is it will not be so small after you mount the adapter "tube" between it and the camera.
The Cosina Voigtlander 2.5/75 is very smally and L39 so no tube. It's a wonderful sharp optic and one I highly recommend. Fantastic build as well.
If you want to go more exotic check out these lenses that Klaus has for sale.
infinity converted f2.8/70mm Zeiss TEVIDON
http://forum.mflenses.com/fs-converted-zeiss-tevidon-f2-8-70mm-for-lumix-g1-gh1-mft-t23086.html
How cool is that to be able to use a tevidon on m4/3. _________________ Moderator |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
aleksanderpolo wrote: |
Thanks for the weight, no-X. The pancolar is too expensive for me
The Sonnar is surprisingly affordable, on the other hand. I have never use a G lens nor own the adapter. How does the focusing work? I heard that it's "awkward"? |
Use the search function and you will find some posts here concerning this point _________________ Rolf |
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egidio
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 222 Location: slovenia
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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egidio wrote:
takumar 85 1.9 in really small _________________ I use: Flektogon 2.8/20, Flektogon 2.8/35, planar 50mm/1.4, Takumar 1.4/50mm, Takumar 1.9/85, MIR 24H, Mir1v, Industar-50-2, Helios-44-2, Pentacon 2.8/135, cyclop 85 1.5 |
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:39 am Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Thank you for the recommendation Andy, as always. But why are your recommendation always outside my range?
The G 90/2.8 is really attractive, if there is an adapter with focusing ring wrapping around the focusing gear, the G lens price will sky rocket!
The tak 85 is a bit heavier than I am comfortable with though... _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
The Pentax-M 85mm f/2 lens weighs in at 250 grams and is 63mm in diameter and 46mm long. That is not much more than a 50mm lens. _________________ Big Dawg |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Sorry Polo
I'm just trying to recommend the best option so you can get back to taking photographs and not question your lens choices
Buy cheap buy twice as they say. _________________ Moderator |
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:28 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
Sonnar 85/2.8 in C/Y mount anyone? The sharpest and most contrasty 85mm of them all _________________ List of lenses |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
aoleg wrote: |
Sonnar 85/2.8 in C/Y mount anyone? The sharpest and most contrasty 85mm of them all |
I love that lens it's a personal favorite but....... on M4/3 you will have a long tube between it and the camera.
OP wants a compact option. I suppose the Contax G 90 is actually the same optical make up. _________________ Moderator |
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
I know Andy. Believe me, I am taking a lot of pictures everyday and trying to learn the character of each lens that I have.
85mm will be an occasional fun lens for me, unlike my 28 and 35, so I will try with something cheaper first as you suggested. _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
I use a Minolta MD Rokkor 85mm F2 all the time. It's a superb lens, and comes in at 276g. |
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