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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:30 am    Post subject: Call from the front line Reply with quote



Konica TC with Hexanon 50/1.4 lens


PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excellent! Was it a film scene in your city ?


PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:

Was it a film scene in your city ?


Oh, yes. Of course. Smile

There had not been any Konica TC in the middle 40-es. Very Happy


PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Laughing Lucky shoot, very well done!


PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Lucky shoot,


there was the other one, similar to that:





PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cool! B&W film does the job very well looks like real one from ww2.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Attila" looks like real one from ww2.[/quote]

This looks, I think, even more real:




Wink


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great results on the series and being in the right place to catch these shots


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sensational! I am green from envy! Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Sensational! I am green from envy! Very Happy


Laughing
next time you come to visit, let me know then, we have a lot of these WW2 re-enactments here. I don't go because I really prefer the ancient Roman and Celtic history,
for several reasons including that I can find there nicely dressed and not-so-dressed young women and dancers,
who appear instead to be hard to find amongst the re-enactors of Fallschirm-Panzer Division 1 Hermann Goering. Laughing

But I can go there with you if you are interested. For instance, I know that every year they make the re-enactment of the Gothic Line combats on the Apennines,
which is something like 100-150 kms from my hometown, so possible to reach it in a day without the need of a hotel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg8o_k7ytc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uzyd6wGBr0&NR=1


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I saw only once at Budapest and I didn't have camera with me.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It looks very sinister and frightening, bringing back bad memories for me. Sad


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Had me completely fooled thinking "photoshopped" Laughing Very realistic-looking images!


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
nice capture, I would not add so much grain like #2#3, b&w was better than that in 1940's


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
peterqd wrote:
It looks very sinister and frightening, bringing back bad memories for me. Sad


Same reaction as my mother. I think that when someone has lived the times of war, the last thing that he/she would enjoy is their re-enactment. Rolling Eyes
My mom also immediately changes TV channel whenever she finds a war movie or a documentary of those times.
She constantly tries to forget.

I think that people like me who didn't live the war, or who were only marginally touched, can not really understand. My area has been on the front line for more than one year, so we had the "full offer", nothing was spared from us: we had bombings (my town was an SS headquarter and it was bombed nearly everyday), we had battles of regular war, of partisan war, of civil war (at some point we had two different italian armies fighting each other...) two different foreign occupations in the span of a few months... and probably the worst thing of all, that is, the crossed revenges between partisans and fascists, which did hit the respective families as main target, including children.
And of course our share of relatives stranded by war all over the world (my grandfather from mother's line was a Captain of the Italian Army, he was a veteran of three wars, in WW2 he was in command of a company in Africa, he was captured in Tobruk and spent two years as a POW in India. One of my granduncles did fight in Jugoslavia and was captured by Tito's brigades).

I have been told some horror stories of things that happened here, that let me imagine what horror it was. The little sister of a friend of my mother has been raped by a black soldier of the American army. She was 4 years old at the time. She spent the rest of her life in a mental hospital. One of the Mongolian troopers that came with the allied and occupied my town wanted to make sex with the younger of my aunts. She was 14. The Mongolians came to my family's house everyday and my family had to give them food (the little they could), wash their clothes, etc, and everytime they came, my younger aunt had to go out and hide in the woods because that man did keep searching for her.
My own existence is also some sort of a miracle, as my father was machine-gunned by a fighter plane while he traveling on bicycle on a country road with a friend. They were children of 12. This gives the idea of the gratuitous cruelty and the nonsense I think.
He was saved because they jumped into the ditch along the road. It's thanks to that ditch that I am here writing now, every time I pass on that road with my car I think of that.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:

My mom also immediately changes TV channel whenever she finds a war movie or a documentary of those times.


I heard the story which happened in my town in 60-th. There was old Jew who miraculously survived at the time of occupation of my town. All that long four years he had to cover himself from the Nazi in hidden places, and constantly be on his guard. Then, well in 60-th, one time he had been returning from the business trip to Moscow. On his misfortune exactly at that time they were making the war movie at the train station (my town had been always very popular for it at the time for the USSR for it’s authentity) And when he was leaving the train there exactly happened the break at the process. So, he stepped on the platform, and suddenly faced the SS-men in the black uniform with dogs, and so on. The poor fellow immediately died from the heart attack.

Orio wrote:

And of course our share of relatives stranded by war all over the world


My ankle told me the following story. When he was the young boy, he was under impression of the propaganda of the war heroism. And one time he came to his father (who at the time of the second WW had been the non-commission officer for the chemical defense of the military unit, and earned the very respected among Russian solders decoration “For the brevity” ), and asked him – “father, how many germans did you kill?” And received the following answer: “dear soun, I am PROUD, that I have not killed any man on that war.”


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:


every year they make the re-enactment of the Gothic Line combats on the Apennines,


Well.. However I don’t believe it is possible at the time of those re-enactments to make the pictures like this one (sorry, that time it is in color, however also the film, and nearly authentic lens):





PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice photo!
There are actions, somewhere, to imitate the look of faded agfachrome film, take a look, I think it's in the "Exposure" plugin by Alien Skin.

Yes, of course, re-enactment can not compete with the scale and details and richness of a movie... but don't think they are necessarily cheap. Of course, on the mountain you will not find flags, but when they make parades in a village, they can organize stuff pretty quite well, with flags and vehicles and also civilians in period clothing.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Correction: it wasn't in Exposure - there's only Kodachrome there.
I am sure that I saw a faded Agfachrome filter somewhere.
Anyway with some Photoshop tweaking it's possible to come close to the look of old Agfachrome, here's what I could make with your photo, basically blue tones should go:



Some grain should be added though (I only shifted colours).


PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
erm the Waffen SS was responsible for all the atrocities in Europe, yet people dress up in the uniform with the insignia Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excalibur wrote:
yet people dress up in the uniform with the insignia Rolling Eyes


Well… Maybe they have a dream? Wink


PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LittleAlex wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
yet people dress up in the uniform with the insignia Rolling Eyes


Well… Maybe they have a dream? Wink


Well on thinking:- those SS soldiers might be Ukrainian and were fighting for independence/freedom from Stalin, so are heroes Wink


PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excalibur wrote:
so are heroes Wink


You wouldn’t believe, however a lot of the western Ukrainians steel believe the SS troops to be so. At least the troops from SS “Galicia” Unit.

For the proof, I will give the photography of placard, many of which decorated the town some time ago.

The inscription translates as follows:

“The Unit “Galicia” invades the wild east. 65-th anniversary of the Unit creation”

So, you see, some people really have the dream.

Wink





PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please concern about photos, if you would like to discuss history or politics please continue it in Dive Bar if you don't have access ask me I will give you gladly.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Please concern about photos.


Sorry!
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