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Kram
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 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: Best "Cheap" Wide Angle |
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Kram wrote:
I know this has been discussed a bit lately, but I'm not clear on what may be the best choice in a wide/cheap MF lens.
I am a bottom feeder and hope to find a decent wide (20-28mm) for my Canon 30D for around $80 US. It can be M42 or Nikon mount.
I would love one that has a good close focus distance.
Am I dreaming? Any suggestions are appreciated.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
The Takumars are very apparently.
Personally, I really love the Vivitar 28/2.8 with 28x serial number or the Tamron Adaptall 2 28/2.5 or Tamron Adaptall 2 24/2.5
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Nesster wrote:
In really wide angles, old Nikkors are hard to beat (and their owners have often tried, by the looks of many), and as you won't need the Ai, can be had fairly cheap. I don't know about $80, maybe doable.
I bought a FE for this specific reason: to have access to lower cost high quality wide angles.
In Takumars, the limit of under $100 is at 28mm - anything wider is rare and in high demand.
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Ensinor/Clubman 24mm F2.8 is a pretty tough lens to beat at the price. You could pick them up for the opening bid many times.
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karabud wrote:
I got Zuiko(oly mount but you can use it on canon) 28mm 2.8 - better than distagon 28 2.8 ae in my taste(i sell distagon and keep zuiko mc). Better sharpness wide open, lower distortion and lower vignietting.
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woodrim
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
As one who is notorious for buying cheap lenses, I can recommend either the Vivitar 28mm Close Focus or the Vivitar 24mm, both f/2.8. There is a recent thread about the 24mm. Either can be had in M42 or Nikon within your target
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Attila wrote:
Yashica 28mm ML, Nikon 28mm f3.5 , Kiron 28mm f2.8 , Kiron 28mm f2
They are all good! A well scratched Nikon 24mm or 28mm f2.8 will be a jackpot.
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Boomer Depp wrote:
All good recommendations above...
The Nikkor 28mm f3.5 with a minimum focus distance of 12"in the F or AI version can with patience be found at a low price.
While this lens was an a better then average performer on film and a less then stellar performer on full frame digital,where it really shines is on crop sensor cameras.
The lens handles shooting into the sun well with crop sensors showing negligible flare or ghosts.On film it had only good center sharpness,but on crop sensors the corner sharpness isn't to bad,though there is some light fall-off.The lens is known to vignettes with filters,but you wouldn't typically be using a filter with close focus work.
The K and AI versions have 190 & 200 degrees of focus throw.
The AI-S version had a larger rear element to deal with light fall-off and to improve corner sharpness,but only has a focus throw of 90 degrees.
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SIGMA SUPER WIDE II - MACRO f2.8
without post processing. Photo taken in jpg, at 72
DPI at f2,8
with post processing
Mount Pentax K
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bawang wrote:
I think a really cheap one with reasonable image quality
is the Vivitar 2.5/28mm. I can't remember who made this but it's either Kiron, Komine or Tokina. It's available in M42 mount.
The other good ones are already mentioned above. |
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Kram
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Wow, thanks so much everyone for the superb information! I'll let you know what I get and post some samples too.
This forum is a real treasure! |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
The best 50mm you have.
5 steps back for a 35mm fov
10 for a 24mm Fov
low distortion and faster than any wide under $300 
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The best 50mm you have.
5 steps back for a 35mm fov
10 for a 24mm Fov
low distortion and faster than any wide under $300 |
I saw sometimes that suggest in leica magazine.
And I like it.
The 50 mm lens is a wanderfull arm.
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:11 am Post subject: |
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revers wrote:
I too think the Vivitar 24/2.8 is a sweet cheap lens.
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
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SIGMA SUPER WIDE II - MACRO f2.8
without post processing. Photo taken in jpg, at 72
DPI at f2,8
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Just FYI, your picture is not likely to be 72 DPI. That information in EXIF is bogus and only related to printing.
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francotirador
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francotirador wrote:
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SIGMA SUPER WIDE II - MACRO f2.8
without post processing. Photo taken in jpg, at 72
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Just FYI, your picture is not likely to be 72 DPI. That information in EXIF is bogus and only related to printing. |
You have reason, it is 72 pixels for inch, in Spanish 72 PP
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:38 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
You can do the math. Take the size of your sensor relative to an inch as one factor, then take the resolution and figure the pixels per inch. They will be much greater than 72. A pixel is essentially a dot in sensor terms. The EXIF usually displays either 72DPI or 300DPI, and it appears arbitrary. DPI relates only to the printing of the picture.
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: |
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RioRico wrote:
A small correction: the DPI field in the EXIF refers to either printing or scanning. If the image source is a scanner, the EXIF data contains the scanner's setting. If the image source is a digital camera, the EXIF data is set to 72 DPI by default.
Question: why English and not Metric measurement?
But back to lenses. I like the ROT (rule of thumb) for backing up with a fifty. Unfortunately that sometimes puts me someplace impossible, so I like WA's in small spaces. And what is wide? If the AOV (angle of view) must be 60 degrees, then it's about 36mm for FF and 24mm for HF. With a HF dSLR, 28mm and 35mm are 'wide normal' and 'long normal'.
My affordable decent WA's include:
21/3.8 M42 Super-Lentar (Tokina) (US$23)
24/2.0 PK Vivitar (Kiron) (US$110)
24/2.8 M42 Sigma-Z (US$3)
24/2.8 M42 Super-Albinar (Tokina?) (US$27)
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28/2.8 PK Access (Tokina?) 'macro' (US$27)
28/2.8 PK Pentax SMC-M (US$32)
28/2.8 M42 Vivitar (Tokina) (US$17)
35/2.8 M42 Isco Westron (US$27)
35/2.8 M42 Vivitar (Tokina) (US$3)
35/3.5 M42 Pentax Super Takumar (US$23)
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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I think a really cheap one with reasonable image quality
is the Vivitar 2.5/28mm. I can't remember who made this but it's either Kiron, Komine or Tokina. It's available in M42 mount.
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I bought one of these lenses recently with a serial no. starting 22 which means it was made by Kiron. On a cropped sensor it is an excellent performer imho. Make sure you use a lens hood though.
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
I agree with Graham about the Vivitar 2.8/28 WA made by Komine (serial 28xxxx). It really is a hidden gem and very cheap usually. I've never tried any of the other Vivitars mentioned and I guess they're equally good, but I can honestly vouch for this one. The M42 version was my very first WA lens back in the 70s, then I bought a PK version in the 80s and recently a I bought a beautiful mint Minolta MD version, for £4.99 + pp. It does have to be closed down a stop or two for best performance, but I'm completely sold on this lens:
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| I agree with Graham about the Vivitar 2.8/28 WA made by Komine (serial 28xxxx). It really is a hidden gem and very cheap usually. I've never tried any of the other Vivitars mentioned and I guess they're equally good, but I can honestly vouch for this one. The M42 version was my very first WA lens back in the 70s, then I bought a PK version in the 80s and recently a I bought a beautiful mint Minolta MD version, for £4.99 + pp. It does have to be closed down a stop or two for best performance, but I'm completely sold on this lens: |
Then this would be one made by Komine? 
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peterqd wrote:
Yep, that's the one. Did it land on your foot?
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| Yep, that's the one. Did it land on your foot? |
Even I did not buy it. It has a blow in the hoop of the filter and do not be if it has fungi. Euros ask for 50.-
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peterqd wrote:
Keep looking Franco, you should find a mint copy for around 20 Euros max.
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