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sbaruche
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 Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: begining of XX century lenses on DSLR |
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I would like to start a new topic using begining of century uncoated lens mounted on bellows, here is a first attempt not the greater photo but tells o how these lens are god for BW
Protar zeiss 6.3 F 133 Krauss Paris
f 6.3 
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goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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sbaruche
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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sbaruche wrote:
forget digital lens when shooting in BW directly from BW program Lumix L1
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goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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vilva
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: Re: begining of XX century lenses on DSLR |
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vilva wrote:
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I would like to start a new topic using begining of century uncoated lens mounted on bellows, here is a first attempt not the greater photo but tells o how these lens are god for BW
Protar zeiss 6.3 F 133 Krauss Paris |
The Protar is a very good lens, perhaps the best corrected lens of its period. The contrast may be sligtly low, but the lens is supposed to be very sharp - there is a reference in the Vade Mecum stating that the sharpness compares well with a modern convertible Symmar. It should be noted that a lens cannot be really sharp even in BW unless it is properly corrected for color. When these old, uncoated and consequently somewhat lower contrast lenses are used with film, the photos are easier to print than photos taken with modern, very high contrast lenses. Anyway, the dynamic range of these old lenses easily exceeds that of any printed medium, and digital PP gives even more leeway than all the wet darkroom trickery used by the ancients.
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Helios
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
Thanks sbaruche to open this subject .
I appreciate a lot the colors abilities of old non-treated glasses . They are prone to give low contrast , and furthermore "pastel" colors .
Novar 6,3/105mm :
This lens is very fascinating . I took my bests BW 2 1/4 x 3 1/2 negatives with it , on the original body (Ikonta) |
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sbaruche
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: novar |
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sbaruche wrote:
I love this photo looks like a painting congratulation
the possibilities of these old lenses are endless
I will send more colors photos done with my angenieux lens
Sylvain
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goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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Nesster
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Nesster wrote:
1913 Bausch&Lomb Rapid-Rectilinear
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patrickh wrote:
Fascinating thread
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Ingo
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Ingo wrote:
From today.
Voigtländer Heliar 3,5/10,5cm (1927)
Ingo
f6.3
Bokeh comparison
Heliar 3.5/10,5 cm
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sbaruche
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: wollensack raptar 165/4.5 coated |
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sbaruche wrote:
with indirect flash from Li lumix
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goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
thanks Sylvain, Helios, Nesster & Ingo
very nice & instructive shots
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Brian
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Brian wrote:
I've been shooting with a number of uncoated lenses on the Leica as of late, all on film. I need to do some scanning, the colors are marvelous.
These are beautiful examples, Thankyou. |
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sbaruche
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: protar zeiss krauss 133mm |
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sbaruche wrote:
this lens is really incredible
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Orio wrote:
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"pastel" colors .
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The " " are appropriate.
I never could understand why to call muted colours "pastel".
As any painter knows, pastels can be as brightly coloured as the most colourful medium.
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Interesting to see how these lenses perform.
How are they attached to modern DSLRs?
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Nesster wrote:
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How are they attached to modern DSLRs? |
Martin, via bellows like this, or a helical extension tube, or a lens cannibalized for the helicoid, or by attaching the camera to the back end of a folding camera...
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martinsmith99
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I'm not sure what lenses I should be looking for. I have some M42 mount bellows.
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Nesster
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Lens/shutter combos from old folding cameras work - you set the shutter on T (or B) and the rear of the shutter fits in pretty well, with some gasketing, in M42.
Old enlarger lenses work great as well - you can go with the gasket mount or get a 39-42 adapter.
And of course old view camera lenses.
75mm or longer works as you can get infinity focus. Actually, 105mm and longer is even better. 75mm may be too close for the bellows.
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Thanks - I'll check some out.
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