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trifox
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 Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: "aus Jena" |
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trifox wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| I strongly recommend to choose "aus Jena" lenses over the same models "Carl Zeiss Jena". |
Orio, are you talking about this lens ? 
I have found it as really good performer... and I got it for 60 GBP incl. shipping and it's brand new...
great rendition, sharp, chromatic aberration under control...
thanks..
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estudleon
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Yes, I have the two versions of Pancolar, aus Jena and C.Z.Jena, as you can see:
And I was asking abot the aus jena 50/1,8..... 
Rino
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
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| And I was asking abot the aus jena 50/1,8..... |
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bawang
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bawang wrote:
What about just 'Jena' without 'aus'? I have a alum body Sonnar 4/135 that says just Jena S?
Others that I have are either Carl Zeiss Jena or aus Jena. |
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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| What about just 'Jena' without 'aus'? I have a alum body Sonnar 4/135 that says just Jena S? |
It's also Carl Zeiss Jena
the S stands for Sonnar.
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bawang
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bawang wrote:
I guess I didn't put that clearly. Orio, would just 'Jena' be included in your proposition or only those with 'aus Jena"? |
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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| I guess I didn't put that clearly. Orio, would just 'Jena' be included in your proposition or only those with 'aus Jena"? |
Well, I am not the holder of truth, but I guess I can say safely that whatever Carl Zeiss Jena lens that does not sport the "Carl Zeiss" name over it, is a lens destined to the western market, and there fore, with a higher possibility of being a good copy.
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Sevo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
| bawang wrote: |
What about just 'Jena' without 'aus'? I have a alum body Sonnar 4/135 that says just Jena S?
Others that I have are either Carl Zeiss Jena or aus Jena. |
Before the brand dispute was settled, there was no "aus Jena". From some time in the sixties to the early seventies, CZJ branded lenses were domestic, COMECON (but frequently reexported to western grey markets) or world exports, "Jena" were official exports to West Germany, the EC and any other places where West German Zeiss succeded at enforcing their brand. The S means it is a Sonnar type (T is Tessar, B Biometar, and there presumably were more which I never owned).
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
[quote="Orio"][quote="bawang"]I guess I didn't put that clearly. Orio, would just 'Jena' be included in your proposition or only those with 'aus Jena"?[/quote]
Well, I am not the holder of truth, but I guess I can say safely that whatever Carl Zeiss Jena lens that does not sport the "Carl Zeiss" name over it, is a lens destined to the western market, and there fore, with a higher possibility of being a good copy.[/quote]
I'm not as sure as you are. The west germany, who made a Pentacon cameras, was revolucionary with the LTL model. After, to prevent that the East can know the "west" technology, the west "was late" in the tecnology way.I believe that the west was to favour it of in very much than to export.
Then I doubt that they have put his major effort in exporting.
Of course, it's only a history theory.
Rino
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
| bawang wrote: |
| I guess I didn't put that clearly. Orio, would just 'Jena' be included in your proposition or only those with 'aus Jena"? |
Well, I am not the holder of truth, but I guess I can say safely that whatever Carl Zeiss Jena lens that does not sport the "Carl Zeiss" name over it, is a lens destined to the western market, and there fore, with a higher possibility of being a good copy. |
I'm not as sure as you are. The west germany, who made a Pentacon cameras, was revolucionary with the LTL model. After, to prevent that the East can know the "west" technology, the west "was late" in the tecnology way.I believe that the west was to favour it of in very much than to export.
Then I doubt that they have put his major effort in exporting.
Of course, it's only a history theory.
Rino |
Rino, Pentacon also made by East Germans and Pentacon was the worst thing for them after they established Pentacon Gmbh quality was lower than before.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Yes, Attila, you are wright.
But this not change that I doubt that the west had put his major effort in exporting. It's seem to me that the massive history lern to us this economic lesson.
Regards, Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
Rino,
the Jena factory desperately needed the money of the western market. They had to send the best lenses there, because in the east, there was no market economy and no competition, while in the west, you had to be better than the others in order to sell your products.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Reason was very simply , communist countries had to earn us dollars to buy "bananas" for people and buy luxury items for communist party leaders 
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bawang
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bawang wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Reason was very simply , communist countries had to earn us dollars to buy "bananas" for people and buy luxury items for communist party leaders |
Where do you belong Attila? You collection may indicate you belonging to the later group.  |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I was on "bananas" side I started to collect lenses only 2-3 yrs before.
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bawang
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bawang wrote:
WOW, it only takes you 2-3 years to move from bananas to party leaders. Probably, you will fall into the Czar category in another 2 -3 years.
On a serious note, you collection is amazing! |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
It was easy at the beginning before mflenses.com was born, local photoshop was full with unsellable old lenses. I bought all under 70 USD and tested them to inform people, now case is changed well a good lenses not sit much time on shelf.
A have some rare item for sure I have luck to find them and some amazing people who is supported me and allowed to buy or/and trade with me.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Serious economists of east side, said that the old west (not far) didn't find the mode of compatibilize your own necessity with your own policy, and the last was win, "the best at home" was a negative policy that closed-doors to the world. That was the principle that did the west went to closed market. The end of the western life. Nobody could change this principle.
Specially lens for "specially" people IN the west? This not be contrariety to the economical history. Well, all from the west's history is little know yet.
An then, I want aus jena lenses!
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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