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Any mirrorless FF camera bodies yet?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:12 am    Post subject: Any mirrorless FF camera bodies yet? Reply with quote
Are there any FF (24x36mm) format digital mirrorless cameras yet ( or on the way?) Very Happy


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
sony is on the way


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yes, sony, if you want a fixed lens no viewfinder camera for $3000 usd, they are surely on the way! Laughing
of course, no offense to anyone eagerly awaiting this camera!
tony


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
yes, sony, if you want a fixed lens no viewfinder camera for $3000 usd, they are surely on the way! Laughing
of course, no offense to anyone eagerly awaiting this camera!
tony


Laughing nice deal for sure.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im thinking FF mirrorless with interchagable lenses so I can mount any ff lens
with adapters.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hifisapi wrote:
Im thinking FF mirrorless with interchagable lenses so I can mount any ff lens
with adapters.


I don't think sony is releasing a full frame nex soon. The closest thing to what you are looking for is their new FF camcorder, but actually you'll pay a lot of money for advanced video features you are (probably) not going to need/use, it's big, and yes, no viewfinder.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ya it's something that a lot of ppl are looking forward to, an FF mirrorless hmm it's feels good just to think about it. And yes, Sony is the one that many ppl are paying attention to because Sony is the one that has it's own image sensor technology that is capable of making a FF mirrorless without the limitation of getting a sensor from other suppliers like many other competitors do. The RX1 and VG900 is foreshadowing that Sony is going to release a FF mirrorless and that SOny is releasing the RX1 just to mess around with the market and see how it's competitors react and play catch up. There's even an interview with Phil Molyneux, president of Sony Electronics, who spilled tiny bits of info on Sony's plan on FF mirrorless. The VG900 just proves that a FF sensor can fit into an E-mount. It's just a matter of time when Sony is going to release it.

The only downside at least for me is the price. The RX1 is priced at $2798 on Amazon and so it's clearly not gonna be "wallet-friendly" or at least not as affordable as an NEX-5N or even NEX-7. Assuming the 35/2 lens is roughly around $1000-$1100, the body then is around $1698-1798. But this is just a rough estimate and I doubt that it'll be that simple. I do hope though that it'll be at least cheaper than a D600. If so than Sony is the clear winner here. First FF Mirrorless camera in the market, cheapest FF in the market (at least excluding 2nd hand D700s and 5d IIs). This is the camera that will shake the market and have a great impact/influence to the future of the digital camera market (ps. m4/3 will play lesser role?). It's exciting just to think about it lol.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yes bruzzo, agree with you. one of my problems with sony is their glass: what they call 'zeiss' and what i expect from/get from my 'actual' zeiss are two very different things! i would never pay anywhere near $1000 usd for the sony version of a zeiss lens. just my opinion.
tony


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Samsung already have a stunning 2/30 lens for 89ukp for the NX series. They are supposed to be working on FF sensors too.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
yes bruzzo, agree with you. one of my problems with sony is their glass: what they call 'zeiss' and what i expect from/get from my 'actual' zeiss are two very different things! i would never pay anywhere near $1000 usd for the sony version of a zeiss lens. just my opinion.
tony


I heard this kind of critics really often, so I'm taking it as true (even if I think Zeiss allow in some ways Sony to call Zeiss those lenses).
I've had in my hands the Sony (Carl Zeiss) Vario-Sonnar T* 24-70 F2.8 ZA SSM for a while, and it looked like an excellent lens to me, but I'm not that used to high end gear, so take my opinion for what it is.
On the other hand, one of the big reason to be thrilled about a FF mirrorless (in my opinion) is the possibility to use other lenses on it, so no need to stick with Sony (or Sony Zeiss, or Minolta) glass.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
yes bruzzo, agree with you. one of my problems with sony is their glass: what they call 'zeiss' and what i expect from/get from my 'actual' zeiss are two very different things! i would never pay anywhere near $1000 usd for the sony version of a zeiss lens. just my opinion.
tony


I totally get what you mean. They are costly I think some or even most of them are more expensive than current model Canons and Nikons which is ridiculous. I can't comment on the performance part tho cause I have no experience on these high end lenses (I can't afford them). But what I heard from reviews is that they are not bad at all and at least on par with current Canon and Nikon models. But I guess with their price ppl normally would expect on par with Canon and Nikon counterparts is at least a must. Plus with the Zeiss brand ppl normally would expect more than that. Hence, some might be dissapointed because after they paid that big of a price they don't get what they expected...

But as Aanything said, one of the biggest reason to look forward to an NEX FF is because currrent FF cameras (mostly Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Leica) can use limited numbers of mounts and adapters and a lot need optical elements to make them compatible. Where as the NEX is compatible with a whole lot of lenses due to it's short registration distance. This opens a whole new world of possibilities. We are not just limited to certain mounts and brands anymore...


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sony Alpha lenses that are branded Carl Zeiss, are

Quote:
"developed by Sony in collaboration with Carl Zeiss"


to quote the exact words of a Sony Alpha brochure that I received at home yesterday.
What does it mean? Simply that the designs are made by Sony, most probably by the
former Minolta engineers, and Zeiss only labels them for marketing reasons, or at the
most takes a look at the designs to verify if there are major weaknesses to correct...

This of course does not prevent those lenses from being good lenses; only, they are not true Zeiss designs.
If one wants some evidence of that, it's enough to compare the design of the 1.4/85 Planar in
the Z version (very similar to the Contarex-Rollei-Contax lens) with the design of the 1.4/85
Planar for Sony Alpha, a completely different lens.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yup. truly not zeiss designs nor results!


PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Leica M10 or simply called Leica M Smile ..... but the price is an ultimate nightmare Sad


PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Sony Alpha lenses that are branded Carl Zeiss, are

Quote:
"developed by Sony in collaboration with Carl Zeiss"


to quote the exact words of a Sony Alpha brochure that I received at home yesterday.
What does it mean? Simply that the designs are made by Sony, most probably by the
former Minolta engineers, and Zeiss only labels them for marketing reasons, or at the
most takes a look at the designs to verify if there are major weaknesses to correct...

This of course does not prevent those lenses from being good lenses; only, they are not true Zeiss designs.
If one wants some evidence of that, it's enough to compare the design of the 1.4/85 Planar in
the Z version (very similar to the Contarex-Rollei-Contax lens) with the design of the 1.4/85
Planar for Sony Alpha, a completely different lens.


From what I read on other forums and very little knowledge that I have, I thought that Zeiss supplied the glass assembly while Sony assembled the body. I have the Vario Sonnar 16-80 and like all Sony-Zeiss lenses it has two serial numbers, one is a Zeiss serial and the other is Sony.

Also found this link about their partnership. http://www.sony-mea.com/microsite/dslr/09/carlZeissLens/index.html?HPID=carlZeissLensMicrosite:DSLR:Thumbnails

You guys know much more about lens designs and technicalities so could probably tell if it is just rebadging or original designs.
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