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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: Alpex Auto 400mm f/6.3 |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Now this is a handsome old 400mm!
"Special" features include a step change from f/6.3 to f/11 (annoying!) and a whopping minimum focusing distance of 12m!
Interestingly, like the older Tokina 400/6.3 lenses, CA isn't too bad! In fact, it's better than the old Tokinas with just a bit of light blue present (none of that horrible purple stuff, and most is gone by f/11).
f/6.3
f/11
f/6.3 in better light
f/11 in dodgy light, sharpened a bit with shadows lifted slightly
To me it is useful because of the low CA, but irritating because of the local MFD and strange aperture stops! Performance seems to deteriorate with light, but there's something special about the way it looks...
I've seen a few lenses in this style before, but none in this focal length. I wonder who made them? _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Splendid! This silver line performance is above average. Are you sure it's Tokina? http://forum.mflenses.com/tele-universar-6-3-400-t21340,start,15.html _________________ ---------------------------------
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Sorry, to avoid confusion, I'm very sure it's NOT a Tokina _________________ Graham - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
This was also seen as a Hanimex, there were a whole series of silver Hanimex lenses as I recall.
Wierd it has no f8 stop marked. Performance looks pretty good, nice and sharp and little CA.
I happen to have a Tokina 400mm, not been able to try it out yet due to bad weather. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Ian, if you can hunt down any images of a Hanimex in this style, I'd be very interested as I've only ever seen Hanimex mirror lenses in a similar style. I've definitely seen these lenses branded as something else before, but I can't remember what
I just found another one on the bay:
Click here to see on Ebay
I've just dug out the old fred:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=31415
Looks like they were branded Elicar and Auto Reflex as well _________________ Graham - Moderator
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The silver bodies are the Alpex trademark feature at one time, I think mid to late 1970's.
There are also black Alpex lenses, but they are less common.
I never figured out who made them either. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Prinzflex was another branding, there is this one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Prinzflex-35mm-Auto-Reflex-F2-8-M42-Mount-Lens-/220925865086?pt=UK_Lenses_Filters_Lenses&hash=item3370352c7e
I remember seeing them in shops and I think the only difference was the colour, but I might be wrong, I am fairly sure you can find black versions of these lenses. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Jethro Tull
Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 68 Location: SCOTLAND
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:07 am Post subject: minimum focusing distance |
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Jethro Tull wrote:
You could shorten the MFD by using a extension tube, i have done this with quite a few 400mm etc including my Tair 300m which already had a very good MFD of 3m but with the tube fitted it would focus at 1m so pretty good for critter close ups |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:31 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Here is another of these silver lenses on ebay, Aragon branding:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/135-2-8-Auto-Aragon-lens-Exakta-Mount-/250969844661?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6ef7ebb5#ht_500wt_1413
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Good find. I wonder if that's a Paragon with the P missing? _________________ Graham - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:58 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Could be, your lens has a stop missing!
Super Paragon lenses were made by Cimko. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Could be, your lens has a stop missing! |
It appears that Auto Aragon is a brand name as well:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/952440 _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I'd like to revive this topic. The silver line above is most probably made by the Sun. This theory proved most plausable among all until now . _________________ ---------------------------------
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Probably the same maker of this 300mm/5.5 Kalimar -
http://forum.mflenses.com/kalimar-300-5-5-auto-t-interchangable-mount-t10906,highlight,%2Bkalimar.html
The construction matches the pictured Alpex 400/6.3. Kalimar like Alpex was an importers brand.
Interesting point is that much of the Kalimar branded line from this unknown maker all used the unique "Auto-T" interchangable mount, which is different from but similar to a rare early Tokina interchangable mount that used a screw mechanism but was otherwise similar to a T4.
The Auto-T more resembles a YS mount, but is again different, with a 44mm screw and a different way to engage the internal mechanism.
http://forum.mflenses.com/auto-t-the-most-obscure-interchangeable-mount-t10869,highlight,%2Bauto.html
Whoever made this had the resources and ambition to try an automatic interchangable mount system, so it could have been Sun experimenting before going with YS. Or even early Sigma trying something early on, who knows. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7796 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Prinzflex 3.5 / 200
Prinz / Prinzflex was a name used by the old Dixons store, generally sold with Praktica and Zenit's. This one looks very similar to the Auto Aragon 100 in the above link - http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/952440 The font used on the front ring is the same as are the aperture markings.
This 200 is a lovely looking and well made lens, but I haven't had great results from it yet. I'll give it another try though. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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memento
Joined: 05 Nov 2012 Posts: 79
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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memento wrote:
The latest picture to me looks very much like an early Sigma, somehow.
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
in the Dimension 135/3.5 and 200/3.5 threads a lot of these-style-lenses came up
in black and silver
I think the end result was that these were Suns, or Chinons, or Suns labelled Chinonflex, or something
I have "Universar 300/4.5" which has same distinctive girdle, only the labelling isn't as silly - no long stretched out lines
Also, MFD 12 m? More like 4 m or less (12 m is insane even for 800/10 mirrors)
Can you take the front part and pull up into lens hood? |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Interesting Kalimar. But Sun 300mm is F4.5, possibly newer design. Quite rare, it took me some time to find it:
Here as silver Elicar http://blog.fluffypattern.ch/?p=144
And some Google floating image without reference:
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