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Orio
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: Agfapan 100, Fino S31 - Bologna |
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Orio wrote:
I tried developing this roll with an old bottle of Fino S31 developer. The seller warned me about the age of the bottle,
but I tried anyway with the standard recommended time of 4'30".
The result however was a very thin negative, which would need a good one minute more development, or maybe even two.
So I must assume that the developer did lose some strenght with the time.
The Fino S31 is a compensating developer, and in fact even with this obvious underdevelopment it did record amazing detail in the shadows. With proper times, it should deliver great results.
Subject is for most part the Mercatino di Santo Stefano in Bologna (sort of high quality flea market)
I apologize for the dust, the negative did fall on the ground
ZI camera, lenses used: Snapshot-Skopar 4/25 and ZM Biogon 2/35:
01- I think there's something to be said about the bokeh with film... (Biogon 2/35)
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
maybe i just dont understand how they should have turned out, but i must say that i enjoyed the look of them very much. i do understand how much is lost in the scanning process, so the detail retained os quite amazing to me.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thanks Tony. I had to boost the exposure to the maximum, because the negatives were so thin. Of course boosting the exposure while scanning had the consequence of boosting the grain.
If the negative had proper development, I would be able to read the details in the shadow without boosting exposure and enhancing defects.
Having that said, you're right, the results in many cases are rather good considering the starting point (if you looked at the negative, you would see it almost transparent). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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David
Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1869 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:59 am Post subject: |
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David wrote:
The important question is this: How many of the cameras in picture 6 did you buy? _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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skida
Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1826 Location: North East England
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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skida wrote:
Great results. I really like 4 and 9. |
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fotomachi
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 638 Location: Estados Unidos de las Esferas Ultraterrenales
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thanks guys
@ David: I admit that I ran away without even asking the prices, I was afraid that they were low and that I could feel the buying impulse _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I say BRAVO! Whatever techinical issues, these photographs to me look like they could have been made in the golden era of b&w photography. The tones and compositions, the grain and the thick, tangible look of the 'prints' I feel would be right at home in a book of '50's or 60s (say) art photography. I don't think it could get much better than this. _________________ -Jussi
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
I say BRAVO! Whatever techinical issues, these photographs to me look like they could have been made in the golden era of b&w photography. The tones and compositions, the grain and the thick, tangible look of the 'prints' I feel would be right at home in a book of '50's or 60s (say) art photography. I don't think it could get much better than this. |
Wow... thanks much, Jussi!! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Love #4, needs to be printed! |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I love #4 too. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thanks, I will print #4 and show the result
It will be a good exercise for dodging _________________ Orio, Administrator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I don't think it needs any dodging, it's the way the street artist appears from the blackness that makes it so appealing to me. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
#12 is my favourite. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
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erkie
Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 308 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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erkie wrote:
Orio , The compensating effect of this developer worked quite well for so little time in development ! Very few of the highlights are blown out and even the darkest areas have some detail. I am not familiar with this developer but the results are very nice indeed !!! _________________
I shoot film and meter with digital
Asahi H3v, Praktica FX3, Retina IIa, Spotmatic sp1000, Fujica V2, Yashica lynx5000, Pentax Sf1, Minolta SRT102, Minolta7000i, Pentax MX, Pentax ME, Pentax Kx
lensesM42- Isco Gottingen Westanar 50/2.8, Isco Gottingen Westron 35/2.8, Rikenon 35/2.8, Spiratone Tc 105/2.5, Spiratone Tc 200/4.5, Sankyo Kohki Komura 300/5, Sankyo Kohki Komura 135/3.5, Auto Tak 35/3.5, Super Tak 150/4, S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, S-M-C Tak 28/3.5, SMC Tak 55/2, Mamya Sekor 55/1.8
K- mount- Helios 44-K-4, Jc penny 28/2.8, Da 18-55, Da 55-300, Pentax F 35-70, SMCP M 50/1.4, SMCP M 50/1.7
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
erkie wrote: |
Orio , The compensating effect of this developer worked quite well for so little time in development ! Very few of the highlights are blown out and even the darkest areas have some detail. I am not familiar with this developer but the results are very nice indeed !!! |
I'm glad that you think so Erkie, because I don't have the competence that you have with darkroom, so if you think so, it means that I saw this right
Ornano is still producing this developer (it's one of the few chemicals they did not discontinue).
It's sold in 1-liter ready solution (I mean you use it as is, don't dilute it), but it can be re-used until you perform 12-13 rolls of 36 exposures:
http://www.westernphoto.it/webstore/ORNANO_UP_S_31_1_liter_pack_ready_to_use
The only negative aspect is that there is very little information available about the developing times with the different films, so you need to experiment to find out. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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erkie
Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 308 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:17 am Post subject: |
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erkie wrote:
Orio, Thank you for the additional information and the link .
I'm going to try to look further into this developer . It appears to compensate quite well, especially given the developing time . It certainly handled the lighting for these scenes wonderfully . #4 is just perfect for the scene in my opinion . It just has a timeless quality that is so hard to achieve !
Photos like this series is why B&W film will be very hard to replace (at Least for me ). _________________
I shoot film and meter with digital
Asahi H3v, Praktica FX3, Retina IIa, Spotmatic sp1000, Fujica V2, Yashica lynx5000, Pentax Sf1, Minolta SRT102, Minolta7000i, Pentax MX, Pentax ME, Pentax Kx
lensesM42- Isco Gottingen Westanar 50/2.8, Isco Gottingen Westron 35/2.8, Rikenon 35/2.8, Spiratone Tc 105/2.5, Spiratone Tc 200/4.5, Sankyo Kohki Komura 300/5, Sankyo Kohki Komura 135/3.5, Auto Tak 35/3.5, Super Tak 150/4, S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, S-M-C Tak 28/3.5, SMC Tak 55/2, Mamya Sekor 55/1.8
K- mount- Helios 44-K-4, Jc penny 28/2.8, Da 18-55, Da 55-300, Pentax F 35-70, SMCP M 50/1.4, SMCP M 50/1.7
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Holy cow, Orio! These are WONDERFUL considering you were experimenting. The results are outstanding.
I'll go out on a limb and bring up image #3 as a favorite, if only because of the FANTASTIC tonality. Look
at the gradations in the white borders of the advertisements! Gorgeous.
I agree with an earlier poster about these having the look of b&whites from high-end cameras from the 50s and 60s... _________________
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CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
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Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thanks Larry! I have 3 bottles of the stuff, it's rather cheap, so I plan doing more experiments
Next experiment will be with Efke, the maker recommends to use this developer with old type of film only (it's not recommended for t-grain film). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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