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thePiRaTE!!
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 Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: 58mm - primoplan or biotar? |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
Hello! If anyone has an opinion between these two lenses, I'd like to hear your considerations.
From the shots I've seen, both lenses seem to produce a bit of the swirl bokeh, which is my ultimate aim from this purchase, though the Biotar has looked a bit sharper in shots I've seen.
I'd probably decide by which ever came along in better shape at the 'bay (I was watching a prima there now, which made me ask).
Thanks,
K.
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Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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Attila
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
czj lenses 99% sharper than meyer I can't decide which one is better from 58mm lenses, from 75mm biotar is clearly winner.
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thePiRaTE!!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
Thanks Attila. I was very lucky to recently acquire a 75. Luis has sent along one of his handbuilt exa - K adapters and then I'll be set.
Still though, swirly bokeh has my interest and having more options to make it at different focal lengths would be great.
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Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
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Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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Maxim
Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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Maxim wrote:
Both lenses are pretty sharp - if you want to see some photos, enter here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/standard-lenses-comparison-test-50-58mm-t12646.html
Maybe the Biotar is a bit sharper at F/2 than Primoplan at F/1.9, but the difference isn't very noticeable. You can find more photos from the Primoplan here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/another-old-german-lens-meyer-optik-goerlitz-primoplan-58mm-t12413.html
CZJ Biotar is more popular so easier to grab one (excepting black version), Primoplan is rather rare. I can't decide which from these two lenses is my favourite 
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E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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themoleman342
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themoleman342 wrote:
Its weird. When I started collecting only several years ago I remember the primoplan was going for peanuts. Since I had a trusty helios, I passed. Now it has shot up quite a bit and I regret it. Could of made a 50-60 dollar profit. |
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thePiRaTE!!
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
Thanks for the links Hubert. I recalled your shots with the Primoplan in the second link. Andy suggested I look up some of your work on this forum when I was researching the 100/2.8, which I ultimately bought largely on the basis of your autumn shots with it. This was how I also found the second link, which added to the dilemma of whether or not to get the Biotar or Primoplan.
I guess the deciding factor - have you noticed if one exhibits more 'swirliness' than the other?
Kelly.
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Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
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Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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Maxim
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Maxim wrote:
| thePiRaTE!! wrote: |
I guess the deciding factor - have you noticed if one exhibits more 'swirliness' than the other?
Kelly. |
Hard to say, I'll must to do a test in the same conditions, using the same subject. If you want, in the weekend I'll take some test pictures in my garden. It should settle the matter 
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E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
I got my Primoplan about 6 months ago, very cheap (less than $10) as it came with a broken Praktica.
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canonfan
Joined: 07 Sep 2008
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canonfan wrote:
I had both. The Biotar was better, with more fresh colours and less soft wide open. |
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dekiller
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dekiller wrote:
I've got them all in original 40.5mm version. Biotar has greater contrast rather than sharper defination. Both are great, but, I love Primoplan better. |
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dakoo
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dakoo wrote:
Guys all of you seem to have found primoplan quite cheap too.
I have not been able to find it for a long time now.
If any do post in MFL/market place..
Alessandro has beautiful samples from both, he has even posted them on the forum.
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