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Maxim
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 Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Another old German lens: Meyer-Optik Görlitz Primoplan 58mm |
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Maxim wrote:
Good evening, colleagues!
I apologize for my long absence... In the last weeks I haven't much free time (to visit our Forum). I am studying chemistry of environment and now I'm doing the research in order to write a Master's dissertation (I don't know is it a correct phrase).
As you know, I love old lenses. Some time ago, I was trying to buy the CZJ Sonnar 8.5cm/2 in Internet auction - but the final price was too high for me (over 100€). I know, it wasn't high price for this lens, but I hadn't enough money... But I found another interesting and very rare lens:
The price wasn't very high (~20 €), so I bought it. The lens arrived yesterday. Today morning I did a short test. First results are promising.
All photos at F/1.9:
Lancer:
100% crop:
 
Some autumn pictures:
Primoplan stopped down to F/4:
OOF highlights at F/4 (100% crop):
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is a rare valuable lens even if you got on nice price, I have it too with his ultra-rare 75mm brother. Nice samples! I love your posts, keep going!
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
#5 is a very interesting effect ! Well done.
I have this lens, I think it has an undeserved bad reputation. Herbert Keppler (famous editor of "Popular Photography" magazine) hated it.
I think it has great potential for pictorial photography, as you show so well.
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Maxim
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Maxim wrote:
Attila - if I had more free time... 
I've never seen 75mm Primoplan in Poland... and I've seen only two copies of 58mm version. One of them is in my hands now 
Luisalegria: thanks for your post! Reputation of this lens isn't very important for me. Important is to have a pleasure using it
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E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, both are rare. My copies came from USA I also never seen any here.
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
It's a lifetime that I'm looking for a 75mm Primoplan. I love the photos I saw from that lens.
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Orio, you have so many better lenses never mind.
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A G Photography
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
#5 is a very interesting effect ! Well done.
I have this lens, I think it has an undeserved bad reputation. Herbert Keppler (famous editor of "Popular Photography" magazine) hated it.
I think it has great potential for pictorial photography, as you show so well. |
I did read Keppler's opinion too but while I'm nowhere an expert as he was, my eyes told me a different history.
I used that lens in commercial photography too and I sincerely liked the results, both in colors and sharpness:
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CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Herbert Kepler wasn't judge fine in this case in my opinion.
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Click here to see on Ebay
Well known "nice" seller without VAT 
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
On top of that, it's for rangefinder (I think)
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Maxim
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Maxim wrote:
Thanks for your opinions, guys!
Alessandro - great examples of using this ancient lens.
This morning I took some new pictures, using wide-open Primoplan. I think, now I can judge this lens. In my humble opinion:
- pretty good sharpness, even at F/1.9
- nice bokeh (subjective opinion)
- nice colours
- zero CA (!)
- contrast isn't bad excepting photos taken in low light conditions (last photo). Of course modern MC lenses are better in this respect.
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E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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themoleman342
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themoleman342 wrote:
I like the last one a great deal. I wonder if it would work as a B&W conversion... |
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Maxim
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Maxim wrote:
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| (...) I wonder if it would work as a B&W conversion... |
Here you are! Maybe this B&W conversion isn't the best, I prefer the colour version.
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E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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rick_oleson
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
I didn't know those were rare! It was Meyer's less espensive answer to the CZJ 58/2 Biogon, with 5 elements instead of 6 if I remember right. I had one on an Exakta V once, but don't have it any more.
Is it more rare in M42 than in Exakta mount?
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I don't know , not common for sure.
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