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agent_cooper
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 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: 25mm& 50mm comparison Zeiss CY vs Zeiss cine lenses |
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agent_cooper wrote:
Today I had some time off and managed to shoot some comparison shots with my Eos 7D equipped with Zeiss CY lenses vs a modified 7D which allows to use cine PL mount lenses.
Both cameras shooting Raw,
both focused on a siemens star chart with 10x magnify help
Raw shooting full resolution 18MP,
same stop,
same shutter,
same post processing
and both cameras on tripods
the candidates:
A: 2.8/25mm Zeiss CY MM Version vs 1.2/ 25 Zeiss HS vs 1.9/24mm Ultra Prime vs a 1.8/25mm Red Pro Prime
B: 1.4/50mm Zeiss CY MM Version vs 1.2/ 50 Zeiss HS vs 1.9/50mm Ultra Prime vs a 1.8/50mm Red Pro Prime
Of course it is not a scientific test, (I shot a shelf) and it is somehow unfair to compare them as the cine lenses are newer and cost approx x10-20 more than the CY.
But if you always wanted to know how big the differences are, please let me know and I will post some results later.
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Wow! What a fascinating set of gear!
Of course we are interested in the differences. 
But once you have shot the Siemens Star, I would be very interested in how those lenses perform in "real" photographic situations, indoors and outdoors.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
| LucisPictor wrote: |
Wow! What a fascinating set of gear!
Of course we are interested in the differences.
But once you have shot the Siemens Star, I would be very interested in how those lenses perform in "real" photographic situations, indoors and outdoors. |
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poilu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
you should compare a 25mm on FF vs a 15mm on crop
and a 50mm on FF vs a 30mm on crop
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agent_cooper
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
| poilu wrote: |
you should compare a 25mm on FF vs a 15mm on crop
and a 50mm on FF vs a 30mm on crop |
Sorry, I completely disagree with you. This way it would be the same angle of view but a completely different distortion and Space feeling. Keep in mind Cinema cameras are more APS than FF. 35mm Cinema lenses do NOT cover FF!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
sorry agent_cooper, I misread and thought it was a about 5DII vs 7D
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agent_cooper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
finally I found the time to evaluate the test.
one regular Eos 7D on tripod, beside a modified 7D with PL Mount.
same stop, same shutter, shooting raw no sharpening, no special PP.
the subject ca 3,50m distance:
100% crops
center ZEISS CY 25mm/2.8_2.8
center Zeiss HS 25mm/1.4_2.8
center Ultra Prime Prime 24mm/1.9_2.8
center RED Pro Prime 25mm/1.8_2.8
center bottom ZEISS CY 25mm/2.8_2.8
center bottom Zeiss HS 25mm/1.4_2.8
center bottom Ultra Prime Prime 24mm/1.9_2.8
center bottom RED Pro Prime 25mm/1.8_2.8
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ZEISS C/Y: 2.8/25 MM, 1.4/50 MM, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/135 MM.
TILT&SHIFT:Canon 3.5/24mm TS, Arax 2.8/80mm TS.
AF: Canon 1.8/85mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/11-16mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/28-70mm Canon zoom 70-300mm.
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agent_cooper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
50mm
center ZEISS CY 50mm/1.4_2.0
center Zeiss HS 50mm/1.4_2.0
center RED Pro Prime 50mm/1.8_2.0
right ZEISS CY 50mm/1.4_2.0
right Zeiss HS 50mm/1.4_2.0
right RED Pro Prime 50mm/1.8_2.0
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CCCP: Helios 44-4, Helios 40-2.
ZUIKO: 2.8/35mm, 1.8/50mm
ZEISS C/Y: 2.8/25 MM, 1.4/50 MM, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/135 MM.
TILT&SHIFT:Canon 3.5/24mm TS, Arax 2.8/80mm TS.
AF: Canon 1.8/85mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/11-16mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/28-70mm Canon zoom 70-300mm.
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kds315* wrote:
Astonishingly disappointing I would dare to say! Certainly not my
experience with Zeiss lenses, but I never tested cine lenses
(except my Kinoptiks - and I would bet they beat that).
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I'm sorry that you have such a poor copy of the Distagon 25mm.
You have been very unlucky, even my AE copy of the lens (which I sold years ago) gave a lot better results wide open than what you are showing here.
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kds315* wrote:
Yes indeed. I had the new 25mm Z series and my friend and
I did some testing years ago on teh optical bench also using
a Siemens star, and indeed found that it resolved close to 400lpm.
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Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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agent_cooper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
yes indeed, the 25 was a bad copy. Since this test I bought another one with serial number #81...   which performs much better in terms of flare and sharpness. But CA remains the same.
And thats the point: The test cleary shows the abundance of CA with my Zeiss CY glas. Since I used all lenses with a Eos sensor it proves the problem is not due sensor bloom because all other lenses (HS, Ultra Prime, Red Prime) perform better.
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ZEISS C/Y: 2.8/25 MM, 1.4/50 MM, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/135 MM.
TILT&SHIFT:Canon 3.5/24mm TS, Arax 2.8/80mm TS.
AF: Canon 1.8/85mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/11-16mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/28-70mm Canon zoom 70-300mm.
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