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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: 20mm lenses compared |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Quick test, handheld in at the lake with my 5D (full frame). Technically, this is a poor test, but it shows how differently various lenses perform in terms of real focal length, colour, centre and edge sharpness. To an extent! The real purpose was to satisfy myself that my Nikkor 20/4 Ai wasn't duff, as a previous test showed it to be inferior to an old Tokina 20mm lens.
Whole scene
Nikkor 20/4 Ai @ f5.6
Carl Zeiss Jena 20/2.8 MC @ f5.6
Tokina AF 20-35/3.5-4.5 (2nd version) @ f5.6
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Nikkor
CZJ
Tokina AF
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CZJ
Tokina AF
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Nikkor
CZJ
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Summary
I really like the colours of the Carl Zeiss Jena and the Tokina. The Nikon has the best centre sharpness (IMO) while the Tokina looks much softer. Corners are a different matter though, with the Tokina excelling. The Nikon puts in a decent show too. The CZJ suffers here, quite visibly.
I think I'll try f8 next time for a more realistic test. On a tripod.
Pleased that there doesn't appear to be much wrong with the Nikon though, bar a bit of vignetting _________________ Graham - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:04 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thankyou for this test Graham, it is very useful to me as I am, as you know, looking for a wide lens for landscapes. The Nikkor looks good to me, shame that the Zeiss has poor corners. The Tokina is better than I expected.
Any idea on the respective values of these lenses on the secondhand market? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
IMHO...
Overall winner: Nikkor
Very close: Tokina AF zoom
Clear looser: CZJ
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Ian, the Nikkor sells from between £120-160 generally. There is a slightly faster f3.5 version as well.
The Tokina is about £100.00. The original version had a window with the focus scale on it, while the improved second version doesn't.
LucisPictor - I agree, but the CZJ is much sharper in the centre than the Tokina, so I guess it comes down to what you are looking for _________________ Graham - Moderator
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
I don't own the Nikkor, but I have Flektogon and Tokina zoom. I can confirm your results.
This Tokina is very good lens especially at it's price ~100USD. _________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
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NewStuff
Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 847 Location: Wales, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
Most interesting. I'm looking at wide lenses myself. The tokina initially looks good for the prices quoted, but a quick search on ebay reveals it's currently hovering about £160+ for the v1 with the window.
Do you have any idea how the 18-55IS (MK 1) compares? _________________ Too many to list. |
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ylyad
Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 476 Location: Zentralschweiz
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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ylyad wrote:
NewStuff wrote: |
Most interesting. I'm looking at wide lenses myself. The tokina initially looks good for the prices quoted, but a quick search on ebay reveals it's currently hovering about £160+ for the v1 with the window.
Do you have any idea how the 18-55IS (MK 1) compares? |
After reading the advices on your thread some weeks ago, I chose to buy the 18-55IS (I've the MkII version). I must say that optically, it's quite good, even if the object itself is, well, plastic crap. Some examples here:
50D / 18-55 IS @ 24/6.3 / 1/640s
50D / 18-55 IS @ 23/8 / 1/125s
50D / 18-55 IS @ 24/4 / 1/160s _________________
Camera: Fuji X-E2, Fuji X100T
MF: Canon nFD 50/1.4, Canon nFD 100/2.8, Tokina RMC 135/2.8
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Pancolart
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
IMHO...
Overall winner: Nikkor
Very close: Tokina AF zoom
Clear looser: CZJ
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Despite center sharpness being great on CZJ i must agree if one search for landscape lens. On F8 order above might have been different. On APS-C for sure . _________________ ---------------------------------
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
The reality is, that buying old super-wide lenses for APS-C is a bit of a waste of time, when modern EF-S / DX zoom lenses are so good. Full frame is a little bit different however, where super wide lenses are not so easy to come by _________________ Graham - Moderator
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
The reality is, that buying old super-wide lenses for APS-C is a bit of a waste of time, when modern EF-S / DX zoom lenses are so good. Full frame is a little bit different however, where super wide lenses are not so easy to come by |
Sharpness-wise I partly agree with you Graham, bearing in mind the current prices of u/wide primes. However, I haven't seen a zoom which doesn't show heavy barrel distortion at its widest end, and correcting that ruins the sharpness to a degree. But perhaps that's not too big a problem for open landscapes! _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
The reality is, that buying old super-wide lenses for APS-C is a bit of a waste of time, when modern EF-S / DX zoom lenses are so good. Full frame is a little bit different however, where super wide lenses are not so easy to come by |
Sharpness-wise I partly agree with you Graham, bearing in mind the current prices of u/wide primes. However, I haven't seen a zoom which doesn't show heavy barrel distortion at its widest end, and correcting that ruins the sharpness to a degree. But perhaps that's not too big a problem for open landscapes! |
Very, very good point re: distortion! That's the key point I'm missing _________________ Graham - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thanks Graham, I think you've sold me on a Nikkor 3.5/20.
On the Canon 18-55 kit lens, I've had two, barely used them because they just broke, never seen a more crappy and cheap piece of plastic, shame on Canon for producing this junk. For me, a large part of why I will stick to old MF lenses is they are made of metal and last a long time. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
I'll just throw another compact excellent lens into the mix allbeit a zoom - Tamron SP 24-48mm f3.5-3.8.
Whoops, sorry, wrong post!!! _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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muddus
Joined: 27 May 2011 Posts: 233 Location: Suomi
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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muddus wrote:
Tamron AF 17-35 is undervalued these lenses that work well 5DC. This is F 4, and 17mm
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rafa1981
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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rafa1981 wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Ian, the Nikkor sells from between £120-160 generally. There is a slightly faster f3.5 version as well. |
And a newer AIS f2.8 that outperforms both and it is very flare resistant. |
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:22 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
2 things have stopped me buying a 20mm Flek: This test and The Viv S1 19-35mm.
I'm quite impressed by the Tokina and it's my favourite here as I prefer the colours from it. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:17 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
muddus wrote: |
Tamron AF 17-35 is undervalued these lenses that work well 5DC. This is F 4, and 17mm[/url] |
Do you have any landscape shots as examples? With the greatest respect, all these lenses are brilliant at close ups
martinsmith99 wrote: |
2 things have stopped me buying a 20mm Flek: This test and The Viv S1 19-35mm.
I'm quite impressed by the Tokina and it's my favourite here as I prefer the colours from it. |
I think the Flek is really going to come into it own for architectural shots. I'll try to get some tests in soon! _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Arninetyes
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Arninetyes wrote:
muddus wrote: |
Tamron AF 17-35 is undervalued these lenses that work well 5DC. This is F 4, and 17mm |
Oh, yeah. I love my manual focus lenses, but I have two AF lenses that work very well. My favorite is my Tokina 100mm f/2.8 ATX Macro. From its incredible sharpness, to its great color and wonderful bokeh. In fact, it's my second favorite lens overall, coming in behind my favorite MF lens.
I snapped this just the other day in the Mission San Juan Capistrano garden. Oh, btw, I focused it manually--does that count in a Manual Focus forum? No? Okay, sorry. Won't do it again...
Edit:
PS--coincidentally, this, too, was shot at f/4. |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:52 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
That's a gorgeous shot, really vibrant colours and very nice bokeh (in my opinion). _________________ Graham - Moderator
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ylyad
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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ylyad wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
That's a gorgeous shot, really vibrant colours and very nice bokeh (in my opinion). |
+1, it's lovely _________________
Camera: Fuji X-E2, Fuji X100T
MF: Canon nFD 50/1.4, Canon nFD 100/2.8, Tokina RMC 135/2.8
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BenediktW
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
Does it? It may depend on the copy, but by now, I have been more convinced of my F4. _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
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muddus
Joined: 27 May 2011 Posts: 233 Location: Suomi
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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muddus wrote:
Here's pair nice winter morning, Tamron 17-35 / 20mm 5DC
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Arninetyes
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Arninetyes wrote:
muddus wrote: |
Here's pair nice winter morning, Tamron 17-35 / 20mm 5DC |
Very, very nice! Sharp, clean, great color. |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:02 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Lovely colours! It would be helpful to see corner and centre crops, to give a loose comparison to the lenses mentioned at the start of the thread I think _________________ Graham - Moderator
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muddus
Joined: 27 May 2011 Posts: 233 Location: Suomi
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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muddus wrote:
100% crop without sharpening
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"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.”
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