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Wich 16mm C mount lenses in the 1.4 - 1.5 1” class? MFT
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:20 pm    Post subject: Wich 16mm C mount lenses in the 1.4 - 1.5 1” class? MFT Reply with quote

Hello!('Laugh 1')

Been using long time in researching the web after which 16mm C mount
lenses in the 1.4 - 1.5 1” class, for use with Micro 4/3 still photography.
So, i´m looking into these small wonders…confusing.
what i want, is speed (shallow DOF) quite some vignetting is fine,
Sharp in the middle,(don´t care much about sharpness the corners)
And Bokeh! Ahhh… Bokeh. swirly - soft .

SCHNEIDER XENON 1,5/25 25mm C-MOUNT,

( 0.95 versions is out of the question,weight-size-prize)

Cooke Kinic F1.5 25mm C-MOUNT

Cooke Ivotal 25mm f1.4 C-mount

These ones comes in either f1.4 or f1.5….. what´s the difference,
except for the f/ ?

And what´s the difference between the Ivotal VS the Kinic ?!

I don`t expect all these questions answered though, bu can someone
please hint me on the right website/forum/overwiew?
Thank you!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the Cooke Kinic F1.5 25mm. It swirls alot but stops swirling stopped down. The near focus distance is also very good.
http://manuellfokus.no/cooke-kinic-1-inch-f1-5/


PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hei Nordentro!

Thanks for info....
How close does the kinin focus,actually?
and,do you know the difference between the

Cooke Kinic F1.5 25mm C-MOUNT
Cooke Ivotal 25mm f1.4 C-mount ?!

There are quite a few ivotals on the eBay-
but the kinic are scarce....
By the way,you dont happy to have a kinic
for sale,do you?
Ps. Im Norwegian too - Arendal
Have a nice day!


PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ivotal 25mm is also a well known lens and perform very well on a M4/3 camera. I have a copy in beat-up condition but it still perform OK on a EM-5.
http://forum.mflenses.com/cooke-ivotal-25mm-1-by-taylor-taylor-and-hobson-t36220.html


PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
The Ivotal 25mm is also a well known lens and perform very well on a M4/3 camera. I have a copy in beat-up condition but it still perform OK on a EM-5.
http://forum.mflenses.com/cooke-ivotal-25mm-1-by-taylor-taylor-and-hobson-t36220.html


Thanks calvin83 !
Wonderful sharpness and pics...It seems that the Ivotal has less "crazy swirl"
than the kinic ?


PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Here is more close-up photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/akira23/albums/72157634074908281 .


PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they are probably optical different too Wink

The Kinic focuses down to 1 inch which is pretty decent for an old cine lens. The norm is more like 2 inch on similar lenses from other manufactors from the same period.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nordentro wrote:
So they are probably optical different too Wink

The Kinic focuses down to 1 inch which is pretty decent for an old cine lens. The norm is more like 2 inch on similar lenses from other manufactors from the same period.

My Ivotal can only focus down to one feet.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biotar 1.4/25 from the Pentaflex16


There is some vignetting but if you carefully compose the picture, you don't even need to crop, it can be part of the picture.
Great Biotar bokeh. Sensitive to stray light but the lens hood I tried increased vignetting a bit.
There is a dedicated adapter available from ebay, but it's pretty expense. You can machine a M42 Adapter, a friend did that for me and it was not really difficult.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
Nordentro wrote:
So they are probably optical different too Wink

The Kinic focuses down to 1 inch which is pretty decent for an old cine lens. The norm is more like 2 inch on similar lenses from other manufactors from the same period.

My Ivotal can only focus down to one feet.


yes, typo by me, I ment feet. 1 inch would make it a macro...


PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Teg wrote:
Biotar 1.4/25 from the Pentaflex16


There is some vignetting but if you carefully compose the picture, you don't even need to crop, it can be part of the picture.
Great Biotar bokeh. Sensitive to stray light but the lens hood I tried increased vignetting a bit.
There is a dedicated adapter available from ebay, but it's pretty expense. You can machine a M42 Adapter, a friend did that for me and it was not really difficult.


Nice! Do you have more Biotar 1.4/25 from the Pentaflex16 pictures to show?


PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here some results from my f1.4 1" (25mm) IVOTAL
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157625865522053

Nice lens, nice swirls, but also has some vignetting:


What I DO RECOMMEND even more is the Zeiss Jena TEVIDON f1.4/25mm
Results here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157625549417179

Very sharp lens, rich in contrast, great colors, but no swirls, little vignetting, focus down to 0.25m
shot fully open:





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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

togg wrote:

Nice! Do you have more Biotar 1.4/25 from the Pentaflex16 pictures to show?

Here you go. All OOC jpgs no PP.



PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
Here some results from my f1.4 1" (25mm) IVOTAL
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157625865522053

Nice lens, nice swirls, but also has some vignetting:



What I DO RECOMMEND even more is the Zeiss Jena TEVIDON f1.4/25mm
Results here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157625549417179

Very sharp lens, rich in contrast, great colors, but no swirls, little vignetting, focus down to 0.25m
shot fully open:





Drool..
Oh yes, i got that Ivotal myself - much different from the Kinic… very well behaved!
Great lens, pretty sharp also. Most of the vignette is removable in lightroom…


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Teg wrote:
togg wrote:

Nice! Do you have more Biotar 1.4/25 from the Pentaflex16 pictures to show?

Here you go. All OOC jpgs no PP.



Thank you Miles!


PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Cooke Kinic f1.5 25mm too, if you want/need one. Not using mine. See http://forum.mflenses.com/cooke-kinic-f1-9-1-a-lunch-break-walk-t22463.html and http://forum.mflenses.com/gh1-and-cooke-kinic-f1-9-1-vs-tevidon-f1-4-25mm-flower-t22465.html
Results are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157625383702448






There is also the very rare Leitz/Leica Hektor f1.4 2.7cm (27mm) you could have, not too swirly but nice bokeh it has, bit more vignetting, see: http://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-hektor-rapid-1-4-2-7cm-t44929.html
Results are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157628222654881






And there is the also rare Steinheil Quinon f1.5 25mm you could have, sharp, great colors, good bokeh
see http://forum.mflenses.com/steinheil-quinon-f1-5-25mm-t33278.html
Results are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157625264612205






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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Steinheil seems to produce great images in your hand, Klaus!


PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Teg wrote:
The Steinheil seems to produce great images in your hand, Klaus!


It's indeed a wonderful very sharp and tiny lens!


PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoting kds315 :

“I have the Cooke Kinic f1.5 25mm too, if you want/need one. Not using mine.”

Thank you for the kind offer, but i got it already!
Wild & crazy lens, that Kinic.

Leitz/Leica Hektor f1.4 2.7cm and Steinheil Quinon f1.5 25mm… Mein gott,i´m gonno be ruined!
Amazing,just amazing.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

togg wrote:
Quoting kds315 :

“I have the Cooke Kinic f1.5 25mm too, if you want/need one. Not using mine.”

Thank you for the kind offer, but i got it already!
Wild & crazy lens, that Kinic.

Leitz/Leica Hektor f1.4 2.7cm and Steinheil Quinon f1.5 25mm… Mein gott,i´m gonno be ruined!
Amazing,just amazing.


Yep, they both are amazing lenses, took me long to find, both rather rare Wink