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 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: VOIGTLANDER NOKTON 50mm f/1.1 |
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bigeyes wrote:
Tried with Nex-5
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Love to see more samples of this combo. NEX5 in one week for my wife and I to share and this lens is on the radar.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Lovely shots, the bokeh is outstanding and the colours and contrast are both really punchy. Pray tell, how much does this lens cost? Is it a current product or a vintage lens? |
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bigeyes
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: |
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bigeyes wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Lovely shots, the bokeh is outstanding and the colours and contrast are both really punchy. Pray tell, how much does this lens cost? Is it a current product or a vintage lens? |
It is newly products, market price today may around usd950-1000
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Like most lenses at 1.2 it is not zeiss sharp, but usable. The main attraction is the M mount and the price when compared to the leica glass. My old FL 55 1.2 is about as sharp---I'll have test more closely, and can be had for under 200USD.
I think the newer SLR 1.2s are probably just as good (though this one is very good with flare) and of course they close focus.
Market value of a clean used copy with the box is 800USD if you are patient. This one came off ebay at 758+30 shipping with a nice filter.
It weighs 428 grams, which is a bit much, but the build is good.
I really wanted an old canon RF, but they are going for over 6. They are 100 grams lighter, not as sharp, but a good copy works.
I have a feeling a 50 summilux will kill this at 1.4 vs 1.4
Interestingly the lens must be calibrated to focus with a leica. Ken Rockwell did not bother with this and absoulutely trashes the lens on his site.
When I pointed out he should have had it calibrated to his M9, he replied "Then the NOKTON is defective in design, and properly reviewed".
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:13 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Sadly I don't have the funds for a 1.2 glass myself.
But I might have come up with an ersatz alternative.
I've bought a 51mm 1.2 Bell & Howell lens from a 16mm projector.
It has a barrel mount, not sure of the thread till it arrives.
Just need to figure out a way of mounting it to my EOS.
Maybe I can mate it to the rear part of an old M42 lens and use the helicois and aperture from that lens?
Maybe not, but i only paid very little for it so it will be fun trying it out I hope. |
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A fine lens and it shows!
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uhoh7 wrote:
OOF rendering
wide open 1/4000
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here the canon FL 55 at 1.2
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and lastly smc pentax 50 1.4 @ 1.4
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to my eye, you really see the DOF gain, even the canon seems to have slightly more, and the pentax, which is considered a very fast 1.4, has immensly greater DOF.
hence having such a fast lens might be worth it...
for fun, my canon rf 100/2 wide open
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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1.1 for teh win!
Does make even that bit of noticeable difference to the shallowness of dof.
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Orio wrote:
In the current issue of LFI (Leica Fotografie International) there is an article which compares the old Noctilux-M 50mm f/1 Asph (made 1976) with the new Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95 Asph (made 2008), and, believe it or not, the difference in blur between the two wide open is very noticeable - and we're talking of only less than a half stop difference!
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Esox lucius wrote:
Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.1
Leica Noctilux 50mm f/0.95
Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.1
Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.1 (magnified)
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Orio wrote:
Thanks Lucius for the drawings. Based on simple scheme observation I'd say that the Nokton 1.1 is a close relative of the 1976 Noctilux.
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Esox lucius wrote:
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| Thanks Lucius for the drawings. Based on simple scheme observation I'd say that the Nokton 1.1 is a close relative of the 1976 Noctilux. |
I don't know how these lenses focus, but to my eye the construction looks like it's one that focuses moving the whole lens assembly? Beats me, I don't really know superfast lenses well enough.
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Orio wrote:
My Leica book says only that the 1976 Noctilux-M was designed by Walter Mandler in Canada, and entirely produced in Canada. It does not mention floating elements.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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I've bought a 51mm 1.2 Bell & Howell lens from a 16mm projector.
It has a barrel mount, not sure of the thread till it arrives.
Just need to figure out a way of mounting it to my EOS.
Maybe I can mate it to the rear part of an old M42 lens and use the helicois and aperture from that lens? |
I have a few projector lenses, but none that short nor fast. I'd like to see a pic of yours when it arrives. A 16mm lens might not have a good working distance nor image circle for you. To be determined, eh? One trick for fitting such a lens to a camera is to use cheap macro tubes. Glue a tube section to the lens body, then mount it on bellows for focusing. Aperture? Ha! Shoot wide open!
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uhoh7 wrote:
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| My Leica book says only that the 1976 Noctilux-M was designed by Walter Mandler in Canada, and entirely produced in Canada. It does not mention floating elements. |
The new noct has one floating element, i think. This nokton has none, if i'm not mistaken.
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uhoh7 wrote:
OK let's take a look:
First @ f/8 it's pretty nice really
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but who cares about f/8?
here at f/1.1, 1/30 iso 200:
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above is a crop, which is why DOF is larger than you might expect.
when you get close (3 feet is tightest) the dof gets a bit frightening:
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at 1.1 dealing with highlights also gets wild:
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most of these are handheld at 1/30 with 75 EFL so are not the best judge of pure sharpness.
here is iso 6400 1/10 f/1.1 at midnight, too dark for me to see these details with my eyes:
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for practical low light shooting, I suspect the CV 35 1.2 would be better, with it's bigger DOF and better tolerance of slow shutters.
As to 1.1 sharpness, please correct me here, but in my low light shooting I am seeing potential sharpness with the same lens vary wide open depending on the light source--beyond just the brightness factor.
all said and done the CV 50 1.1 is a very usable lens, if large, and quite fun to play with. I think it's going to push me.
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OK got out the tripod @1.1 iso 200
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shot raw, but did not touch color or contrast.
What do we think?
besides, time to clean remote, hehe
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uhoh7 wrote:
My real quest is to get the lightest, sharpest super fast 50ish with decent OOF rendering. Since nex is my platform, I'm not wedded to any mount.
As I do some cursory research with that critera the following lenses come up:
Canon nFD 50 1.2, both plain 318g and L 380g versions
OM 50 1.2
Pentax 50 1.2
Would be grateful for opinions or links with regards to any.
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uhoh7 wrote:
Nokton 1.1:
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uhoh7 wrote:
description of windy meltdown on ski mountain
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this at f/1.8 when things are getting crisp:
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Orio wrote:
It looks like an excellent lens, really.
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