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Voigtlaender Ultron 1.7/35 Aspherical
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:29 am    Post subject: Voigtlaender Ultron 1.7/35 Aspherical Reply with quote
Some pictures taken in Parma with the Voigtlaender Ultron 1.7/35 Aspherical. Camera is Bessa-T. Film is Ferrania Solaris 200, scanned by local foto lab.
I have already posted one or two of these, but not the whole set.
The pictures were taken end of this winter:





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Link to the full size of the above:
http://www.oriofoto.net/temp/ultron1735/91930005b_srgb.jpg.jpg



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I am of two hearts with this lens.
On one side, I love the speed, the great sharpness, and the control of aberrations (important with film).
On the other side, I miss that "thing", call it punch, 3D, or whatever.
Great working lens, but perhaps for a style that is not really mine.


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thinkt that you miss the "punch" here, because the edges of the objects that divide them from the bg are not as prominent as with your Zeiss lenses. It's smoother which can be also nice. What do you think?


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio, I like this pictures very very much! The result is pictorial, really close to a painting, fascinating! Yes, maybe not your taste but mine, sure...Smile This is a very good lens, after zorki mania need to buy a Bessa and this lens.

Hard to say why is it so smooth (no sharpless, just smooth), my reference point is always fuji film and minolta scanner. In the labs there are very expensive softwares to reduce/enchanse everything. A lot time it produces colorful, but lumpy pics (especially grain reduction).

Anyway congrats, great result as always!


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh, and the bokeh is on first pic is like my old rangefinder jupiters, cool!


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
nice samples!

csaba369 wrote:
In the labs there are very expensive softwares to reduce/enchanse everything. A lot time it produces colorful, but lumpy pics (especially grain reduction)


yesterday I show to a photographer two versions of sharpening and ask him if grain was not too obvious
he ask me; 'why do you want to sharp those?. they are perfect without sharpening'
I answer him 'because I want to show them to some st*pid AF users' Embarassed

I review a 80's BBC book and the pics even not sharpened are beautiful

unfortunately, if I don't boost contrast and sharpening, I wrongly think pics will look unattractive


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks. Like I said, I find them sharp.
Really do you find them unsharp?
(don't think about the grain, only the lens).

I miss the "pop", not the sharpness.


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
why do you want to sharp those?. they are perfect without sharpening'
I answer him 'because I want to show them to some st*pid AF users' Embarassed


This is my main problem with this new era. Everything is ready for use, ready for your brain. People are too lazy to absorbed in anything. My daugters new story-books are full of 3D graphics, full of colors etc. Very nice, really. My old ones looks funny, but you have to use your imagination. So we try to improvise tails...Smile

My problem is similar with the new 5D, too. Unbelieveable, but too strange for my eyes. Perfect for documentation, but the first thing add some noise, please degrade it, too much for me! Maybe need some time for my eyes to enjoy it.

That's why I enjoy this pics...(sorry, I have some problem with english)


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Thanks. Like I said, I find them sharp.
Really do you find them unsharp?


No. To compare with my Distagon 35 pics, the difference is minimal, Distagon maybe sharper.


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
csaba369 wrote:
Orio wrote:
Thanks. Like I said, I find them sharp.
Really do you find them unsharp?


No. To compare with my Distagon 35 pics, the difference is minimal, Distagon maybe sharper.


I think this lens is much sharper than my Distagon 2.8/35.
Of course film makes it hard to compare. Somebody should give me a digital RF please Laughing so I can make the test... Wink


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
I miss the "pop", not the sharpness.


It's a nice set. The lens look terrific sharp, great colors and contrast.
But the missing punch you mentioned, it seems to me that the "3D" is missing. It looks very good, but flat.
It's so unspectacular that it's spectactular Smile


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
excellent!

film is always good --

as poilu has mentioned before -- bokeh is more natural on film!

tf


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
trifox wrote:

as poilu has mentioned before -- bokeh is more natural on film!


yes, because it interacts with grain.


PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio said "no punch", but I think it is there.
The lens is certainly sharp, you may miss some brilliance
from Zeiss glass. You are too spoiled. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I like these photos very much. Film made some nicety to the shots.


PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh I like what I see here.
This lens looks great.
The light you had does not looks flat that's were the "punch went".
Try this guy during "golden hour" with some slow Provia.
It will punch, kick, scream.........you get they idea Wink I like it Smile


PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Oh I like what I see here.
This lens looks great.
The light you had does not looks flat that's were the "punch went".
Try this guy during "golden hour" with some slow Provia.
It will punch, kick, scream.........you get they idea Wink I like it Smile


Ok, I'll try... but if you develop insanity and think about trading it for the Biogon 35, please let me know! Laughing


PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Promise! Laughing Laughing
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