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patrickh
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 Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Macro via enlarging |
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patrickh wrote:
Lenses - that is. I am about to try the bellows/enlarging lens route to macro. Samples I have seen are spectacular and are apparently attributed to the "flat field" design of the enlarging lenses. I managed to get a set of Rodenstock Rodagons (50, 80 and 150mm) for a mere $50. I believe any one sold separately would fetch a lot more than that. Will post samples when I have tried the approach
patrickh
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C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
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Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
congrats Patrick! 50$ for 3 rodagons is a bargain price
I use the rodagons on bellow and it's a lot of fun
I wait your comparison with yours micro nikkors
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Attila wrote:
Hey , great deal! I look forward your samples!
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Laurence wrote:
Nice buy! 
Can't wait to see some results, Patrick!
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gcrimmins wrote:
patrickh,
I have an APO Rodagon-D enlarging/duplicating lens that I justed started using on bellows with an EOS digital camera. I couldn't be more pleased with the lens for macro photos. It's very sharp and has a good working distance. I imagine you'll like using your new lenses. Congrats on a good buy!
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Thanks all - it's aways nice to have good company
 
patruickh
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Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
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P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
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Katastrofo wrote:
Sounds dazzling, Patrick, good luck!
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dickb wrote:
You may want to try reversing the 50mm as well for the best results at high magnification. I've collected a lot of nice enlarging lenses that I should test. Anyone interested in a comparison of Apo-Rodagon 50/2.8, Apo-Rodagon-N 50/2.8, Apo Componon 45/2.8? |
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
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| Anyone interested in a comparison of Apo-Rodagon 50/2.8, Apo-Rodagon-N 50/2.8, Apo Componon 45/2.8? |
Yeah, send them all 
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dickb
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dickb wrote:
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| Anyone interested in a comparison of Apo-Rodagon 50/2.8, Apo-Rodagon-N 50/2.8, Apo Componon 45/2.8? |
Yeah, send them all |
Maybe I should also include my other 50mm, Leitz Focotar 50/4.5, Focotar-2 50/4.5, EL-Nikkor 50/2.8, Tominon 50/4.5, Componar 50/4 (a tiny lens). And stretching it a bit the Nikkor-O 55/1.2. Or reversed standard 50mms, I must have ten, fifteen of those... |
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Abbazz
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Macro via enlarging |
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Abbazz wrote:
| patrickh wrote: |
| I managed to get a set of Rodenstock Rodagons (50, 80 and 150mm) for a mere $50. |
Congrats, that's a great price!
You might be interested in this:
Cheers!
Abbazz
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
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| Maybe I should also include my other 50mm |
the 50mm is not the most usable focal
on a bellow you start with 3 cm of extension and it's only good for small objects
to test so much 50mm on bellow is not a great idea
to much work for kind of shots not many are interested
Rodagon N against your best macro is enough
I try a rodagon N from a friend but it was with fungus and performance was not the best
His rodagon 80 N was much better
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Are there any good sites with bellows information (how to use them?)
patrickh
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Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
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Farside wrote:
All I've found so far is...
1. Stick lens on bellows
2. Stick bellows on camera
3. Move it about a bit
4. Take picture
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poilu
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
| Patrick wrote: |
| Are there any good sites with bellows information (how to use them?) |
you don't need manual, only practice
my last series of flying bees was with rodagon on bellow
the technique is easy : follow the bee turning the button until in focus then shot
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
"All I've found so far is...
1. Stick lens on bellows
2. Stick bellows on camera
3. Move it about a bit
4. Take picture "
Thats about it, pretty much. Bellows are 19th-century technology.
And Poilu obviously has some sort of deal with demonic forces, or has signed a blanket agreement with the Apidae modelling agency, which may amount to the same thing. |
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Abbazz - what is that? Looks like a tilt/shift adapter.
Poilu - outstanding and inspiring.
Luisalegra - you surely have it right
patrickh
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M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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alexbird
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alexbird wrote:
hi, all. I heard that most Enlarging lenses are designed for high magnification rate, it becomes worse if u use them as a normal macro lens. And also I found many photos taken by Enlarging lenses, the quality vary quite a lot from different lense. I found the apo Rodagon seems much better than else, especially in chrome and tone. So i wonder which type of enlarging lens is suit for close up shot, or even as a portrait lens. any suggestion?
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dickb wrote:
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| hi, all. I heard that most Enlarging lenses are designed for high magnification rate, it becomes worse if u use them as a normal macro lens. And also I found many photos taken by Enlarging lenses, the quality vary quite a lot from different lense. I found the apo Rodagon seems much better than else, especially in chrome and tone. So i wonder which type of enlarging lens is suit for close up shot, or even as a portrait lens. any suggestion? |
For portrait people generally like larger apertures than enlarger lenses have. Normally 80mm and 100mm enlarger lenses start at f/4 or f/5.6, which would give you more DoF than you might want for a portrait. The only exception I know of in the 80mm range is a Czech 80/2.8 Meogon. If on a crop camera you prefer a 50mm there is a 55/1.9 Computar dL. |
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Every enlarger lens I've tried seems to be perfectly adequate for all work on a DSLR, from infinity to 1:1, though I only have three old ones from the 1950's-60's - two Wollensaks and a Bausch&Lomb. These weren't the top of the line by any means, they did not have the reputation of Schneiders and Rodenstocks.
But if these are good then I don't think you need have any worries about most enlarger lenses.
The standard max aperture for enlargers, for nearly all of them, seems to be 4.5 . |
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