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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to know how is the last model of Helios 44-2 f2/58mm?

44-2 model "2.d": MMZ last design - new barrel

Is good or bad? I hope don't be the worst model Helios 44-2.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

duta wrote:
I want to know how is the last model of Helios 44-2 f2/58mm?

44-2 model "2.d": MMZ last design - new barrel

Is good or bad? I hope don't be the worst model Helios 44-2.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just acquired one like the Helios-44 zebra in M42. It is the same as another M39 stated some pages before, only the mount differs.









It reads HELIOS-44 2/58 N1013561, has an MMZ Logo. I have tried it against my other Helios 44-2 and found it to be considerably softer at all apertures.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I make a correction?

Quote:
Helios 44 pre-set models (44, 44-2, 44-3)


Helios-44

- resolution: 35/14 or 36/17
- 8-13 aperture blades, pre-set aperture
- M39 SLR, sometimes appears as M42 model (possibly early version of 44-2 with old model ring)
- there is a KMZ prototype marked "Helios 44-1", but production models are always marked only as "44"
- serial number almost never corresponds to year of manufacture, nearly always begins by "N" or "N°"
- MMZ lenses with serial number beginning by "N40xxx", "N50xxx" or "N60xxx" are likely made in 1964, 1965 and 1966 (first number of sn very likely means year of 196x decade)

KMZ
silver, Π, "5,8cm", sn "N°000xxx", 13-blades, f/22 - rare
silver, Π, "5,8cm", sn "N°00xxx", 13-blades, f/16 - rare
silver, "2/58", sn "N°0xxx" or "N°00xxx", 13 blades
silver, "2/58", sn "N°0xxx", 8-blades
black + white lettering, "2/58", sn "N0xxx", 8 blades
black + white lettering, M42, "2/58", sn "N0xxx", 8 blades

MMZ
silver, "2/58", sn "N°40xxx", 8 blades
silver, "2/58", sn "N50xxx" or "N60xxx"
zebra, "2/58", sn "N°xxx" (e.g. 1970)



I've seen N°000xxx, 13 blades, but with f/16 only. So not all N°000xxx are f/22.

Maybe I can also add a detail. It has a "silver" nose ring like the 3rd lens. I own a N°0xxx and it has a black nose ring like the 2nd lens.



PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: helios 44M Reply with quote

Hi,

im googling many hours and searching if anyone had my helios , but nope, could you please help me which type is this ?

SERIAL : 8144455

IT has yellow numbers and A/M switch

Thank you much Smile

http://imgupload.sk/images/d/q/dqsvzoow5brbn6ozb1um.jpg

http://imgupload.sk/images/d/w/dwan84fha6bqg2m94xz0.jpg


PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Show a picture, says more that 1000 words! Wink


PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
Show a picture, says more that 1000 words! Wink


i cant, when i add link to photo it not showing it, but in preview yes... i know how works phpbb but there something sucks (not works as image too) im trying to add as [img] from your internal storage and from other server but it not works...

EDIT: now it start working...lol





PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You couldn't find the Helios 44m in a google search?


PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

themoleman342 wrote:
You couldn't find the Helios 44m in a google search?


yep i found som info but not details , if it has antireflective coat and so on ...


PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are my helioses:



(M42) 44-2, removed from surveillance camera, never used, serial starts with 88. Has 8 aperture blades.

(M42) MC 44M-6, removed from Zenit ET camera kit, never used. Serial starts with 91. Has 6 aperture blades.

(K mount) MC 44K-4, never used, I've acquired a box of these (20 pcs) in early 00s, serials start with 97. Has 6 aperture blades.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the lens archeologists, here's the specs of yet another Helios-44.
Type 1f, identical in outlooks to the one in post:
http://forum.mflenses.com/complete-list-of-helios-lenses-getting-closer-t26100,start,30.html#1082046

Black M42, serial N03374XX, latin alphabets used. Filter thread 49mm.
Was mounted on a Zenit-E, serial 670XXXXX, KMZ logo engraved .
I have no paperworks, but have no reason to believe anything else that this is an original camera/lens combination.

No picture attached in this post.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just purchased a Helios 44 M39 with red П, f22 type. I was finding it for several months with frustrations. Finally I found one with $225. Too expensive for a Helios 44, I guess Shocked but it's so rare now. I have 44-2, 44-3, 44M-4, 44M-7 and actually I like them all. 44M-7 seems to have the best resolution as many people mentioned but I'm not sure if the bokeh is different from 44-2.

I'm too excited to wait for this Helios, but can't find any sample shots taken with this version. There was a post about the f16 version, which is very nice, and someone complained that the CA is bad, but there is no reference for this f22.

I'll definitely compare them when I get this lens.

Here is the photos provided by the seller







PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HELIOS-44M 2/58 8199410 8blades M42
HELIOS-44M-4 2/58 86156682 6blades M42
HELIOS-44-2 2/58 78185958 8blades M42


yup, highly addictive lenses, but my real MF addiction start with MIR-1b 2.8/37 (and later MIR-I 2.8/37A with 2 set of blades)

(huh, 1st post Smile )


PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:48 pm    Post subject: A Mothering Sunday Helios 44-2 Reply with quote

An excellent thread on Helios lenses.

I picked this really scruffy copy of a Helios 44-2 up today at a car boot sale. It was not attached to any camera, although the seller did have a Zenit B with a Helios 44-2 attached to it (1971 if my memory serves me correct).

This one though was in very grubby condition. I haven't been in long, but after a quick clean I thought I would post a couple of pictures of this Helios 44-2. So is it pre 1970/71

8 iris blades
White writing
N00145XX (last 2 digits replaced)



PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See page 1 of the thread... Cool


PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAo2, Thank you!!

TAo2 wrote:
See page 1 of the thread... Cool


Not sure how I missed that as I read the whole thread before posting:

44-2 model 1.a.v1: KMZ black glossy paint + white lettering, sn "N00xxxxx"


PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have purchased this Helios-44 lens, although do not yet have it in hand. I wanted a 13 blade version, which it is, but otherwise it does not appear to be anything different from what has already been posted. M39.



PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday I have bought a Helios 44-2, i think it's from '74, but I don't understand one thing. When the red dot from the aperture ring is at f/2 the aperture is actually at f/16, it's fully closed.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always like that on Helios 44, don't worry. That's not a problem, it's just another way to see the preset system Smile


PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

semaca wrote:
Yesterday I have bought a Helios 44-2, i think it's from '74, but I don't understand one thing. When the red dot from the aperture ring is at f/2 the aperture is actually at f/16, it's fully closed.


Hi

This lens has twin aperture rings - the other is right in front from the one You are talking about. It has aperture values written on it. You should set the desired aperture value with the front ring, focus with the second one opened and close it only before the shot. The front ring limits how much aperture is closed with the second ring.


PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:21 pm    Post subject: Helios 44M Brass ring model 8 blades set outward Reply with quote

I have never seen this model. Is it ok that 8 blades are set outward? Never seen before.

P1050309 by Nobody Mess With Suburbans, on Flickr


PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:42 pm    Post subject: Helios 44 m39, 13 blades Reply with quote

Hi, i recently bought a Helios 44, m39 mount with 13 blades, sn 0031303 from a flea market, in a not so good condition, but at a really reasonable price.
I do not have an adapter, but i was able to change the lens mount with one from a helios 44-2 that i had around, until i get the adapter. I also had to clean and lube it, clean the glass from a lot of dirt and dust, but it is all done now.
I noticed that it had that really cool looking blue/purple coating, but also that thru the viewfinder everything is yellow-ish. Is that normal? The wather is bad here unfortunately, but when it improves, i will add some samples.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just bought a Helios 44 No. 0000xxx Π
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HELIOS-44-lens-F2-58mm-f-M39-ZENIT-USSR-KMZ-BIOTAR-13-BLADES-1960-0000880-RED-P-/311164957211

Quote:
  1. KMZ
    1. silver, Π, "5,8cm", sn "N°000xxx", 13-blades, f/22 - rare
    2. silver, Π, "5,8cm", sn "N°00xxx", 13-blades, f/16 - rare
    3. silver, "2/58", sn "N°0xxx" or "N°00xxx", 13 blades
    4. silver, "2/58", sn "N°0xxx", 8-blades
    5. black + white lettering, "2/58", sn "N0xxx", 8 blades
    6. black + white lettering, M42, "2/58", sn "N0xxx", 8 blades


Mine appears to predate the 1a or it's just a lower serial number.
The one I posted about earlier with the bad flare, was a 1b.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool! That's high price, but collectible, so...

I think all 000 and lower are from the same year of production (but yes, yours is earlier in the year).
Btw, I wonder if Helios 44 for start and for zenit follow the same production numbering... (a H44 for start with 000 is from the same year than H44 000 for zenit?) .


PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finaly solved the mystery around my Silver helios 44



The mystery was : The serial number doesn't fit to this lens. If this is KMZ, this lens should have been built in 1950, which is not possible. But it is not MMZ, because it's not MMZ logo, and MMZ never made H-44 with Red P and focal in cm.

So, after discussion with someone working for KMZ, it appears that this lens is kind of rare "hybride" from KMZ and MMZ. In 1965, MMZ started the production of H-44 in order to support KMZ. So, KMZ sent to MMZ some machines, documations and few not finished lens in order to start from something, and get used to machines. My H-44 is certainly one of those lens that were sent from KMZ to MMZ. The lens was started in KMZ, they engraved the name ring, but not the serial number, because the lens was not finished. MMZ finished it and engraved their serial number "a la MMZ". This information looks to be confirmed by the fact that the SN of my lens is the lower he saw from MMZ Helios-44.

Undirectly, it also show that in 1965 (or 1964), KMZ was still doing Helios-44 with SN 00xxxxx , because the red P and cm disappeared during the 00 production (there are some 00 with red P, other 00 (latest) without red P... and no 0xxxx exist with red P).