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Attila



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Bessa RF Velvia 100 Magenta cast removed Reply with quote

I can't imagine better cam for me Shocked Made in 1938 !

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are stunning Attila. Aren't you glad digital processing is available to correct film?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Impressive! 1938? Wow!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrickh wrote:
Those are stunning Attila. Aren't you glad digital processing is available to correct film?


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Yes, it is. Digital processing is best thing what happened with photographers.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great results, Attila!
Congratulations, this camera seems to work very well, and the post processing is very fine!.
Very nice shots!!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
Wow! Impressive! 1938? Wow!


Yes, most of the pre-war lens are "crappy" compare with current ones. Some of them are amazing like this one. I am really fallen in love with Voigtlanders.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeeezzzzzz!
That is one fine image maker.
I suppose two fine image makers.
The camera and the photographer Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1938 you say? doesn't look like it one bit!

Stunning!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Taken with this cam!

I have a few item what I would like to keep forever, Pancolar 80, Biotar 75 and now this one. Oh Bessa L+Voigtlander 15mm Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to say it Attila but there's still a lot of magenta in the pictures.

As I told you I also have that camera and I also can't manage to get color balanced pictures from Velvia. Provia (especially 400F) was better though, but far from perfect.

I should use an UV filter as someone said, but I think I'll use both Bessa and Ikonta for B&W (or negative color film) and use Pentacon Six for slides.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A G Photography wrote:
I hate to say it Attila but there's still a lot of magenta in the pictures.

As I told you I also have that camera and I also can't manage to get color balanced pictures from Velvia. Provia (especially 400F) was better though, but far from perfect.

I should use an UV filter as someone said, but I think I'll use both Bessa and Ikonta for B&W (or negative color film) and use Pentacon Six for slides.

Easiest solution Very Happy


I don't care Wink I like this result very much.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that magenta cast of Velvia can change depending on which camera. I shot Velvia with many cameras and I always got magenta cast.
I think that more or less cast depends on both light condition and chemical development.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive!

I recognize the camera. My father had something similar, at least a Voigtländer with bellow.
Might be worth looking for next time I visit.
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