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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:10 pm
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I tried some 1969 expired Ilford FP 3 with my Nettar 515/16. Developed it too cold but propably also for too long. The I put it into stantard flatbed scanner backed by white paper and got me nice 700x700 pictures.

Purpose was to get something you could see from the 1920's to about 1950's.

But instead I have reached the quality of first wet-plate pioneers, really don't have a clue what went so terribly wrong. Very Happy

#1 impressionistic



#2 this is the only even sligthly acceptable



#3 Daguerre would have tossed this one to the bin and probably stopped experimenting



#4 yes, it is a locomotive, but you can't see the rails



#5 even succeeded creating a double exposure



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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:17 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:17 pm
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I would say you have accomplished a convincing imitation!


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:39 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:39 pm
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Some of the problems are obviously scanning, because negatives aren't that bad when I took a photo thru window.

Which one is it: old film or some bad processing?

No pp here (except the negative conversion by Gimp).





this is what the negative looks like.



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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:09 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:09 pm
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Film wasn't stored properly and perhaps fixing wasn't enough long too, this is my guess.


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:06 pm
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I shot some 1985 expired improperly stored FP4 a few days ago. Results were not bad.

I rated it at ISO 64 as it would have lost speed, but seems it is still 80-100 ISO (originally 125).

When you try again, rate the film at half it's speed and push the developing a little, say 10%.

Fixer, leave it in twice the time stated, won't do any harm, seems to me your first results are under-fixed.


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:12 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:12 pm
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Fixer, leave it in twice the time stated, won't do any harm, seems to me your first results are under-fixed.


Ok, I did fix it for 10 minutes, maybe the cold temperature was to blame too ..

Any idea why the spots?


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:17 pm
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I shot some 1985 expired improperly stored FP4 a few days ago. Results were not bad.

I rated it at ISO 64 as it would have lost speed, but seems it is still 80-100 ISO (originally 125).

When you try again, rate the film at half it's speed and push the developing a little, say 10%.


Overexpose and overdevelop both?

So this film is from 1969 125-200 ASA (yes the package says 125-200) - I should treat it as 50?


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:44 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:44 pm
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I think b&w film not loose it's speed. I did develop successfully similar aged films ISO50 , ISO100 films I also got crap result too, so evidence to me , storage is very important. I got similar crap like yours when I did fix for short time and once on fresh efke film reason is still unknown to me.


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:42 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:42 pm
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Looks as though it has gotten too warm a time or two in storage . I've had a roll or three come out badly when left in my truck in the summer .


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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:00 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:00 pm
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kansalliskala wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I shot some 1985 expired improperly stored FP4 a few days ago. Results were not bad.

I rated it at ISO 64 as it would have lost speed, but seems it is still 80-100 ISO (originally 125).

When you try again, rate the film at half it's speed and push the developing a little, say 10%.


Overexpose and overdevelop both?

So this film is from 1969 125-200 ASA (yes the package says 125-200) - I should treat it as 50?


Well, I shot the fp4 I have at 64 then developed it for 11 mins instead of the 10 on the instruction sheet for the developer.

Worked okay, doesn't seem to have lost a great deal of speed, it would probably be fine rated at 100.




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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:57 pm
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Thank you very much for valuable information!

Could someone move this to 'darkroom' section. What started as experiment produced some real knowledge.


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:20 am
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:20 am
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maybe some of the problem is how you scanned your film. I have had similar problem scanning negs same way look:

could be your prob...
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