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"the worst lens sold" Soligor 35-140mm ?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:16 am    Post subject: "the worst lens sold" Soligor 35-140mm ? Reply with quote

Out of curiosity...

I was reminded about my copy of this lens in the earlier thread http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-c-d-zoomandmacro-3-8-5-3-35-140mm-mc-nikon-mount-t15075.html
At least two members have or have had it and describe it as the 'worst', so I wondered how bad that was. I got it because I wanted the I-S mount but have never used it until now. So
this morning I had a quick shot or two with my copy of this lens to see just how bad, or not, it was.


the Soligor 35-140mm f3.5 two touch macro zoom.
interchangeable I-S multi mount ( also available as G/S )
From the late seventies.
13 Elements in 10 groups
1:3 macro
72mm filter
Weighs 800g

A couple of quotes found via google - Someone liked it... and it wasn't cheap

Art Haykin , Nov 19, 2003; 08:26 a.m.
I have but one Soligor I bought new at dealer's net in the '70's, and used it quite a bit on a K-1000 as a personal lens. It's surprisingly good, and has held up. It's built like a safe, and weighs a "ton." It's a 35-140 f/3.5 Macro Autozoom with a 72mm filter ring. The macro goes down to 1:3. As I recall, it wholesaled for around $300 then.

soligor 35-140 3.5 80 $319 $664 auto zoom, macro g/s

...135/2.0; and 200/2.8. Most were available in screwmount. The finest-performing Soligor zoom was probably their 35-140 f/3.5 macro. Soligor images tend to have a green cast. Paul Franklin Stregevsky

So why so bad?


Well... wide open it really isn't that good - quite soft and lots of SA. Doesn't sharpen up until F8. I haven't tried macro yet so will give that a quick try. I may also try some portraits which may suit the lens.

No reason to keep it though.


Wide open at 35mm setting, Picasa default raw conversion from Orf - no changes. No hood



At 75mm setting (sorry, I moved to the right.. Embarassed)



At 140mm setting




Poster on a door at f3.5, f5.6 and f8 - I had to up the iso on each shot to maintain a shutter speed as these were handheld.










And one more wide open.



And crop


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your example doesn't appear to have aged gracefully! I'm curious about the I/S feature. How do you change the mount?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very similar to a T4 or TX type, but not the same. Pull on a lever, twist to unlock and remove.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some mitigation for this lens...

A few close ups and a portrait all shot in 'macro' mode which I think it handles OK. Default conversions again








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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like that lens has a nice softness, and that's great for portraits.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How odd.. my Soligor 35-70mm C/D is almost on a par with my lovely Adaptall-2 SP 01A...

I guess it depends on who made what for them..

Any idea who made the 35-70mm f2.5/3.5 macro zoom???

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also had this 35-140 but it was in no good condition, thus it's hard for me to judge its performance.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe there are no "bad" lenses, just different criteria for assessing them!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: "the worst lens sold" Soligor 35-140mm ? Reply with quote

Xpres wrote:
At least two members have or have had it and describe it as the 'worst', so I wondered how bad that was.[/img]


It's me who quoted as one of the worst lens ever according to tests i read

Tks for sharing and the pics you sent confirms the tests :" Totally spherical aberration uncorrected lens"

The good point, it that it will makes a good lens for portrait (the soft focus lens uncorrects spherical aberration" if the minimal distance is ok
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A silver lining then perhaps. It may indeed make a good portraiture lens, which is something I enjoy, so it may live to fight another day. It's a shame it's such a brick to use though.
I also have a sigma 39-80 with a similar performance which does make a very nice portrait lens. It's macro ring effectively dials in SA with some good effect. It has a very similar finish to the Soligor, which makes me wonder if it has the same pedigree?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xpres wrote:

I also have a sigma 39-80 with a similar performance which does make a very nice portrait lens. It's macro ring effectively dials in SA with some good effect. It has a very similar finish to the Soligor, which makes me wonder if it has the same pedigree?


ABSOLUTELY NOT : the sigma 39/80 was one of the very first standard zoom sold and it was 100% made by sigma

The 35/70 soligor is perhaps (to be confirmed) a samyang manufactured lens (the lock button of the om mount looks like the samyang one )
This lens is 100% sure NOT a Tokina, Not a Sigma , Not A kyomine , Not a Kiron
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+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ 2x Doubler HR7 + Fisheye Soligor

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> Zuiko 24/2.8 + 28/3.5 +50/1.8 + 50/1.4 + 50mm 3.5 macro + 35/70 3.6 + 35/105 3.5-4.5 + 75/150 4 + 2xA
> Sigma 21/35 3.5-4.2 + Tamron 28/70 3.5-4.5 + Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 + Tamron 28/135 4-4.5 + Tamron 28/200 3.8-5.6 + Sigma 28/200 3.5-5.6
+Vivitar 35/70 2.8-3.8
+ Vivitar 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 + Tamron 90mm macro 1:1
+ Tokina 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2) + Vivitar 75/150 3.8 (+ 2x matched) + Spector (makinon) 500mm + sigma 1000mm mirror
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 35/70 Soligor C/D in my picture is a Konica AR fit not an OM unit?

It does not look like any of my known Samyang samples, indeed it does not resemble any other lens I have (and as my guilty post of today shows, that's a LOT!) lol

Doug.

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Xpres wrote:

I also have a sigma 39-80 with a similar performance which does make a very nice portrait lens. It's macro ring effectively dials in SA with some good effect. It has a very similar finish to the Soligor, which makes me wonder if it has the same pedigree?


ABSOLUTELY NOT : the sigma 39/80 was one of the very standard zoom sold and it was 100% made by sigma

The 35/70 soligor is perhaps (to be confirmed) a samyang manufactured lens (the lock button of the om mount looks like the samyang one )
This lens is 100% sure NOT a Tokina, Not a Sigma , Not A kyomine , Not a Kiron

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression that the Soligor CD series were made by Tokina, including the 35-70. Impressions, though, are often wrong. How on earth does one find out this sort of thing?
In my earlier post I was in fact comparing the finish of the sigma to the 35-140 Soligor and wondering if that may be a Sigma made lens? I guess we'll never truly know.
Why does this sort of trivia fascinate me?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely no idea - but it's contagious as we have all caught it!

lol

Doug.

Xpres wrote:
I was under the impression that the Soligor CD series were made by Tokina, including the 35-70. Impressions, though, are often wrong. How on earth does one find out this sort of thing?
In my earlier post I was in fact comparing the finish of the sigma to the 35-140 Soligor and wondering if that may be a Sigma made lens? I guess we'll never truly know.
Why does this sort of trivia fascinate me?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too, have the Soligor SP 35-70...I have no idea who actually manufactured the lens. It's an unusual lens in its rendition, a bit flat in contrast, but incredibly sharp for a zoom with colors tending toward the cool side.
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