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"the worst lens sold" Soligor 35-140mm ?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xpres wrote:
I was under the impression that the Soligor CD series were made by Tokina, including the 35-70. Impressions, though, are often wrong. How on earth does one find out this sort of thing?
In my earlier post I was in fact comparing the finish of the sigma to the 35-140 Soligor and wondering if that may be a Sigma made lens? I guess we'll never truly know.
Why does this sort of trivia fascinate me?


The 1st series of soligor c/d lens were ALL manufactured by tokina (28 + 35 + 135 + 200 + 35/105 + 100/300 + 70/220)

Later they were mainly manufactured by sun (ie 28/80 ot 3.5/4.5) and some by some other manufacturers (ie : the 35/70 2.5/3.5)


PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah Ha! Thanks Smile

If you don't mind me asking - How do you find out all this info? Is there a big book somewhere? Old catalogues or magazines?


PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xpres wrote:
Ah Ha! Thanks Smile

If you don't mind me asking - How do you find out all this info? Is there a big book somewhere? Old catalogues or magazines?


No pb i'm very interested with lenses technology + my first lens and second lenses were soligor (75/260 & 70/220)


PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi. I think I have some info about the 35-70. Most chanced it is produced by unknown Japanese company called Tefnon. I think this company produced also Soligor 70-160/f3.5 and 75-205/f3.5 lenses. This in not an official information but my observation based on the external characteristics of these lenses and their similarity to Tefnon badged 70-162/f3.5. The same lens was sold also under Prinzflex name.

Clarification: I am talking about 2 rings versions of all these lenses. I see now there are also one touch versions of both 35-70/f2.5-3.5 and 70-160/f3.5 lenses.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
dimitrygo wrote:
Hi. I think I have some info about the 35-70. Most chanced it is produced by unknown Japanese company called Tefnon. .


Unfortunatly : as far i know, tefnon is another lens seller (not a manufacturer)


PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
dimitrygo wrote:
I am talking about 2 rings versions of all these lenses. I see now there are also one touch versions of both 35-70/f2.5-3.5 and 70-162/f3.5 lenses.


1- I NEVER NEVER see a 1 touch version of the 35/70 2.5 .. Have you a pic ?
2- I received tdy my soligor 35/70 2.5.. Nearly same size than the zuiko 35/105 3.5/4.5 = not small for a 35/70 - and really one stop more open
ps : the soligor 35/70 2.5 i received is not indicated as c/d and has the new soligor logo but apart this detail is exactly same

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PBFACTS wrote:


1- I NEVER NEVER see a 2 touch version of the 35/70 2.5 .. Have you a pic ?


There is a picture on the previous page, but here are more of Soligor 35-70/f2.5-3.5:



Soligor 70-160/f3.5:




Prinzflex 70-162/f3.5:



Tefnon 70-162/f3.5:



Sorry, I don't have good pictures of Prinzflex but believe me it looks exactly like Soligor. And I never saw any other picture of the Tefnon but due to the uniqueness of their 70-162 range I believe that Prinzflex=Tefnon.

The Tefnon is a brand of Kobori Mfg., Co., Ltd. - company listed as a member of Japan Camera Industry Association:
http://www.genyosha.com/JCTN/Advertisers/jcia.html

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a recollection of Soligor advertising an association with Sun for some of their C/D zoom lenses. I have four magazines from the 70s in front of me and can't find the ad that I recall! An April 1975 ad in Popular Photography features the C/D 28/2 and also shows 35/2, 200/2.8 55/2.8 macro and 100/2.8 macro. Possibly the 135/2 also. Really tough to tell who made them but the 55/2.8 looks like the common Komine lens that focuses to 1:1 without an extension tube.


PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
casualcollector wrote:
the C/D 28/2 and also shows 35/2, 200/2.8 55/2.8 macro and 100/2.8 macro. Really tough to tell who made them.


The c/d 28/2 + 35/2 + 135/2 + 135/2.8 were ALL made by Tokina (this is the 1st batch of c/d lenses - circa 1976)


PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi PBfacts,

Do you have all that information written down ?

We should araange to post it here or somewhere.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Soligor Zoom 70-160mm F3.5 - Single Ring version Reply with quote
this message is outdated and deleted!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I might as well jump in, since I have the Tokina Twins.
I know nothing about these, except they are sharp and
present a nice contrast. I read about the 70-210, and the
reviews were very favorable, so when I found a cheap
price, I picked it up. I was not disappointed. This is a very
compact lens. If anyone can give me info on these, I would
greatly appreciate it.

SD 28-70/3.5-4.5
SD70-210/4-5.6






Also have the Soligor CD 35-70/2.5-3.5 Macro 1:2.7
(shown with Tokina 70-210), which has rather flat contrast,
but superb true-to-life colors, and good to excellent out-of-focus
highlights at a pretty fast 2.5 wide open.
All images were taken with Sigma SD-14 and Industar 50/3.5 lens.



PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: "the worst lens sold" Soligor 35-140mm ? Reply with quote
Xpres wrote:
At least two members have or have had it and describe it as the 'worst', so I wondered how bad that was. I got it because I wanted the I-S mount but have never used it until now. So
this morning I had a quick shot or two with my copy of this lens to see just how bad, or not, it was.

I had one (35-140 3.5) because it came with a contax camera I bought some months ago. I tested it and saw it was really bad, so I recently sold it on eBay (just to get rid of it, i don't need more junk in my room), it went for $5 Laughing
My test photos resemble yours, really soft/dreamy wide open, never really sharp, no quality particularly outstanding. I'm even thinking, is it possible that these lenses have a common flaw that makes them deteriorate after years? bad coatings or cements, something? i mean, people really bought this crap in the 70s?


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, honestly naplam, the Tokina 70-210 that I showed above really IS a pretty good lens. I wouldn't go so far as to call it crap. Laughing

The others -- I could take them or leave them -- since I already have them, they do see some use, as they aren't seeming to be really bad in sharpness.

Best, Larry


PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know about the 70-210 (i guess it's easier to make a better 3x zoom tele too), but the 35-140 i had was terrible, really. I admit the "crap" qualification is subjective, though Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laurence wrote:


I know we're gettng further and further afield from the original subject here but Larry's Tokinas rang a little bell in my head. These Tamrons have the same specifications as the Tokinas. Some differences to allow for the Adapt All system and some stylistic changes.







I see that the focus direction is opposite, Tokina compared with Tamron. I'm betting your Tokinas are K mount. For a while in, the late manual focus era, Sigma ads trumpeted that their lenses matched the focusing orientation of the cameras they were fitted for. Nikon and Pentax focused opposite just about everyone else. I think that towards the end of the manual focus era Sigma, Tamron and Tokina cooperated on production of some models. These being an example. Perhaps Cosina was involved too.

But wait, there's more! This Minolta MD seems very similar. It reads 28-70 f3.5-4.8 vs te 3.5-4.5 of the Tamron and has 55mm filter ring against 52 of the Tammy and 8 leaf iris vs 6. Overall, it shares the same feel as the Tamron.



Another late era lens and Minolta may have gone to the aftermarket for it.

Bill


PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which lens? The Soligor?


PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In a continuation of the previous discussion about the 35-70/f2.5-3.5. Now I don't need to look for similarity between this lens and 70-160/f3.5 to tell it is also made by Tefnon.




As you can see this is the same lens as Soligor just without a built-in hood.

Exactly the same lens as Tefnon was also sold under the name Access.



PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
dimitrygo wrote:
In a continuation of the previous discussion about the 35-70/f2.5-3.5. Now I don't need to look for similarity between this lens and 70-160/f3.5 to tell it is also made by Tefnon.


Not absolutely sure because i found today this ad on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220455359744&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

for a samyang lens and the om mount is EXACTLY the same mount of my soligor 35/70 2.5..
Samyang beeing one of the greatest lens manufacturer, the lens is certaliny made by them


PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PBFACTS wrote:
... the om mount is EXACTLY the same mount of my soligor 35/70 2.5..
Samyang beeing one of the greatest lens manufacturer, the lens is certaliny made by them


I am not talking about mount but the lens itself. As I have written on the previous page there is a close resemblance in the build and looking of the 70-162/f3.5 and 35-70/f2.5-3.5 lenses. And since I see now both of them made by Tefnon (that is/was a Japanese lens making company) I don't have any reason to think they are made by other company. BTW both lenses are made in Japan and Samyang is a Korean company if I am not mistaken.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:45 pm    Post subject: 35-70mm 1:2.5 Reply with quote
I have lens that is obviously from the same manufacturer but it's called UNITOR 2.5-3.5/35-70mm PK mount. It produces very good images and with macro ratio 1:2.7 one can achieve nice shallow depth effects.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Someone is going to be disappointed with their purchase!

Click here to see on Ebay

If only they would do some google research first!


PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have an Asanuma autozoom C/D 45-150mm 3.5; I have seen Soligor sold the same lens, marked C/D too.
Mine is with MD mount, so I could only try the lens on film. Really not bad at all, with useful macro.
Normal MFD is 1.40m, filter 67mm and nearly as heavy as my Vivitar S1 (Kiron) 70-210mm 3.5. Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Today i shot for 1 EUR a "Sun 35-70 mm f/3.5-4.5 Macro" with FD-Mount. While waiting for delivery, i will search some information about this lens.

Do somebody have experience with this lens (or similar lens with other brand)?
Who was the manufacturer?


PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
GoldMark wrote:
Today i shot for 1 EUR a "Sun 35-70 mm f/3.5-4.5 Macro" with FD-Mount. While waiting for delivery, i will search some information about this lens.

Do somebody have experience with this lens (or similar lens with other brand)?
Who was the manufacturer?


Made by Sun! also

http://forum.mflenses.com/three-suns-sun-opt-zoom-set-t29966.html
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