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Soligor 350mm f/5.6
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Soligor 350mm f/5.6 Reply with quote

Hi,
There is the result of the field test. f/5.6 and around 1/50.
The quality of the image was a good surprise to me.
I looked around but can't find any informations about this lens. If some one has, I will apreciate.
Regards.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one of these hugey lenses too! Mine is an M42 T-mount with pre-set aperture control. It produces good results but doesn't reach infinity for some reason. Not that it matters as most shots with a lens like this are focused on an object somewhere (certainly for me).

It would help to identify it if you posted up an image of the lens, as Soligor rebranded lenses from other manufacturers such as Tokina.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Shrek,

Mine has pre-set aperture too and is an M42 T-mount. I can focus infinite too, but I am using a Nikon D80.



PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one just like that, although 400/6.3 - bought when I was at school. It was very good for it's type and I only sold it a couple of years ago.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a newer version of the one I have Smile I have the 180/3.5, 200/3.5 and 300/4.5 in that style though Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are at least three versions of this 350mm f/5.6 Soligor.

One (which I have) was made by Tamron. Its not hard to find.
Another maybe was made by Komine. This is more rare.
The one you have I don't know who made it, but it is quite common.

I suspect that Soligor asked the makers to build a whole line to Soligors specification, thats why you have so many versions of odd sizes. Soligor had huge market power in those days.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This lens looks a lot like my 75-260mm zoom lens. The cosmetics are exactly in line with the zoom I own, making me think this is a Tokina-manufactured lens. When I first presented mine to this forum, the general concensus was that it's most likely to have come from Tokina. Mine was made in 1967, according to the inspection label still on it, and your 350mm model appears to be an exact cosmetic match.





PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Luis,
I was waiting for your coments!!! I know you are an expert in this matther. Thank you. I am post a front view, Look at the font (tipo de letra) of the name SOLIGOR.......An other detail, it has 12 blades diafragma.

Thanks Craig, if yours was made by Tokina, mine too.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fernando,

I'll go with Craig here and say that my top suspect is Tokina, but I don't have proof beyond the style, and that may not mean that much.

Soligor had plenty of negotiating power in those days and they could get manufacturers to give all their lenses the Soligor style for that time, no matter who made them.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FernandoB12 wrote:


Ah! Here's an interesting bit of change.
Whether it makes any difference, it's yet to be decided.

I notice a retaining ring which looks like a barrel, instead of a beveled
ring. Fernando, your lens appears to use a barrel ring for element retention, while my lens uses a bevel ring over the front element:



Perhaps this difference will offer better identity of our lenses.
While I have believed my lens to come from Tokina, I now see that
there may be other sources of these lenses.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll throw the curve ball into this discussion. The 350 sure has the Tokina look to it but the Soligor name in script, upper & lower case, has me scratching my head. So does the spanner notched retaining ring. Tokina made Soligors that I know best had the Soligor name in block letters, all capitalized. I have a Kino made Soligor 28 that uses the script style and spanner notches.

Skedaddled I'm fairly certain your 75-260 post dates your JCII sticker. I believe it was introduced in the '72-74 period.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agreed with you Luis no matter who made it. The most important is what I can get from.

SkedAddled and casualcollector, my 135mm has the script style too. So I supose that they were made in the same factory.....the style is completely diferent...take a look.





PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bill,

Those Soligor presets with the knurled "ears" on the aperture ring and the chrome setting ring all seem to have the italic style "Soligor".

The only thing that seems certain is that these of this style are all from one manufacturer.

If they were made by Tokina, there is no reason why there couldn't be mechanical differences between the presets and the auto's, as the presets were of very different design overall. The known preset Tokinas aren't much like the Auto Tokinas.

What bothers me is that the known preset Tokinas are very different from these Soligors. For one thing, the aperture rings and diaphragm on the Tokinas (in their many merchants brands) are all towards the front of the barrel, in front of the focusing mechanism and helical. These Soligors have the rings and presumably the diaphragm way back near the mount. Thats a rather fundamental design change.

I have seen and missed some of these preset Tokinas (in other brands) in the odd Soligor sizes like 180, 250 and 350 - they exist, but are rare. And they don't look like these either.

Interesting also is that this basic design of this Soligor series is not seen under any other brand, which is very odd. Usually one would see the same thing sold under other brands with cosmetic changes. This line seems unique to Soligor.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Miranda gets involved here, involuntarily. The "tabs" on a chrome setting ring are a Miranda characteristic (IMO). I have several different auto lenses of various brands, one with tabs, one with ears and one with neither. I believe they were all made by Kino.

The concave knurl on the focus grip is also in common with Miranda. The early Tokina-Soligor Auto lenses had the skip-knurl characterstic but the concave knurl as well as tabbed chrome setting ring were added later.

The upper-lower case script was common to lenses that bore the Miranda-Soligor imprint. When the supplier set up the engraver for these ID rings he just left off the Miranda template.

I'm fairly confident that Miranda went to Kino for lenses for a while and this 350 seems to have those Miranda characteristics. All conjecture, of course, but that's my hunch. I'll have to study some Miranda lenses as they pass by on e bay.

Now, that 135 with the 77xxxx serial is another headscratcher!


PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi casualcollector,

Thanks for share your knowledge.
I don't know if this information will help or not....the 350 serial n is 9693700....


PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been able to determine a manufacturers code in the Soligor serials with any certainty. Every example I've seen with 16 or 17 as the first two digits has been Tokina made. Other numbers I haven't made any sense of.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

casualcollector wrote:
I haven't been able to determine a manufacturers code in the Soligor serials with any certainty. Every example I've seen with 16 or 17 as the first two digits has been Tokina made. Other numbers I haven't made any sense of.
Then it would appear that my Soligor 75-260mm zoom is of Tokina manufacture, yes?

I also have a Soligor 400mm TELE-AUTO lens, T4-mount, serial 17100644, which is an exact cosmetic match to Fernando's 350mm and my own 75-260mm lens. All engraving on the outer element ring is upper-case block lettering.

Would this suggest Tokina manufacture to you?


PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig,

Your 75-260 and 400mm are Tokinas. Even with different names and styling variations, Tokinas from about 1968 to '74 or so have a strong family resemblance and your zoom has all of those characteristics.

Fernando's 350 has that Tokina family look, but there's a few small details that make me wonder.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thread from the dead!! I have the 350mm and 400mm version of lens the OP posted about and they have serials starting with '96' and '97' suggesting they were Kino made in the late 60s and early 70s.

I've also got the Komine version of the 350mm which looks a bit older (has orange numbers - the older Soligor style) but is sharper.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FernandoB12 wrote:
Hi casualcollector,

Thanks for share your knowledge.
I don't know if this information will help or not....the 350 serial n is 9693700....


We believe with what information is currently available. That this lens is Kino made. As ManualFocus-G said in the above post.



So. 9 = Kino. 69 = 1969.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManualFocus-G wrote:
Thread from the dead!! I have the 350mm and 400mm version of lens the OP posted about and they have serials starting with '96' and '97' suggesting they were Kino made in the late 60s and early 70s.

I've also got the Komine version of the 350mm which looks a bit older (has orange numbers - the older Soligor style) but is sharper.


It's pretty neat to have both Komine and Kino versions. I hope to find
a Komine version cheap. Laughing

By the way, there might also be a Sankor version. I've found it in the 300mm, but not the 350mm yet. But I'm looking. Very Happy


PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this is the Tamron version, but it's not mine.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walter g wrote:
FernandoB12 wrote:
Hi casualcollector,

Thanks for share your knowledge.
I don't know if this information will help or not....the 350 serial n is 9693700....


We believe with what information is currently available. That this lens is Kino made. As ManualFocus-G said in the above post.



So. 9 = Kino. 69 = 1969.


Hi Walter,
Thank you, now I know the pedigree of my lens Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to add one more pic to this thread. It's a Kawanon 350mm.
It's very likely there was a Soligor version of this lens. If you have one please post it.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opps. Bump...

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