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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: Pancolar : Biotar : Oreston : Primoplan : Helios |
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Pancolart wrote:
Referring to the topic: http://forum.mflenses.com/6x-shootout-pancolar-biotar-oreston-primoplan-helios-t31237.html
Sharpness testing open wide, last daylight. Primoplan hitting my mirror so left out. Greyscale and resize. That car isn't moving - check pedestrians .
Click on photo to get bigger version.
Zeiss Biotar 2/58mm
Zeiss Pancolar MC 1.8/50mm
Meyer-Optik Oreston 1.8/50mm
Helios-44-6 2/58mm
Helios-44-7 1.8/50mm
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
From my eyes, Pan wins. _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
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Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I must agree. I'll do more tests but momentary it really seems Pancolar MC performs great when shooting distant objects. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Don't forget i am performing this test strictly with aperture wide-open. This is low light shooting (sun already down).
Average Exposure time: 1/300s / ISO 800. Sadly Oreston is also out since i didn't provide good shot.
Click on photo for large version.
Zeiss Biotar 2/58mm
Zeiss Pancolar MC 1.8/50mm
Helios-44M-6 2/58mm
Helios-77M-4 1.8/50mm
I could say Russians were beaten here though results are still very good. _________________ ---------------------------------
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symphonic
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 550 Location: SE Europe, Croatia
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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symphonic wrote:
Thanks for sharing, nice comparison.
Though it's a bit hard to compare sharpness here when the scene is not aligned.It's best to shoot on a tripod and later cut out 100% crops from center and edge... _________________ Toni,
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CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 MC | Pancolar 50/1.8 MC
Contax Planar 50/1.4 AEJ | Contax Sonnar 135/2.8 AEJ
Yashica ML 28/2.8 | Zuiko 28/3.5
Vivitar Series1 105/2.5 OM
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
The Pan may be technically most correct, but I love the rendering of the Biotar _________________ -Jussi
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
symphonic wrote: |
Thanks for sharing, nice comparison.
Though it's a bit hard to compare sharpness here when the scene is not aligned.It's best to shoot on a tripod and later cut out 100% crops from center and edge... |
Thank you. I take shots easily if camera handheld. In my opinion such photos tell more then cropped and usually misfocused brick. AF confirm blinking is no guarantee that focus is on the right place with MFs. In this kind of test observer can found best parts and compare them. He can also see the mistakes made by photographer.
Bokeh and color comparison just added: http://forum.mflenses.com/6x-shootout-biotar-pancolar-oreston-primoplan-helios-v6-v7-t31237.html _________________ ---------------------------------
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fish4570
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:14 am Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
I think the Oreston got shorted.
Do-overs? _________________ Paul
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Hello Pancolart.
I just received an alu version Biotar 2/58 and tried it on the 5D MkII.
The mirror hits the lens when I use a classic adapter ring.
I must mount it on a collar flange adapter, but in this case I can't focus on infinity.
Do you have the same problem ?
By the way, interesting comparison. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
No, Oliver, not with the version i used: http://forum.mflenses.com/6x-shootout-pancolar-biotar-oreston-primoplan-helios-t31237.html but that was one of the reasons to pick it. I also have sample you probably mean - with additional protective edge. My suggestion is have it removed on the half that hits. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Don't forget that such test can be influenced by how well the adapters allow lenses to reach infinity. So unless targets were focused in liveview and confirmed to all reach infinity correctly, there should be a caution in judgement. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Well, it's part of the metallic M42 mount. So, I think I would have to sand it...
I agree with Orio about infinity focusing ability. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Of course. If you mean those panoramas, multiple shots were made with each lens and best samples picked. As i wrote above Primoplan did hit mirror thus excluded. Also i wasn't happy with acquired Meyer shots checking them full size at home (i was sure lens can do better) thus it was excluded too. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Excalibur
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Well this might be a valid way of comparing? I copied/pasted the first shots for pancolar and Oriston into photoshop and enlarged, and at max distance the pancolar was a bit sharper (well clearer). _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Don't forget it's wide-open test. _________________ ---------------------------------
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