Need info Luminar 100mm

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

In the past time I used Carl Zeiss Luminar (16mm, 25mm, 40mm, 63mm) with my H'blad, and 100 mm incl. Linhof shutter.
Now is the right time to use it with digital camera, I can use it with EOS5D except 100mm via z�rk stuff (Mini makro schnecke to RMS mount).
But Luminar 100mm has another mount, and I never found this mount in Ebay etc. Anyone has idea or experience with ?.
Every response would be appreciated.
Regards

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

A quick search indicates there were at least three versions of the 100/6.3. Thread diameters of 44mm and 35mm are mentioned. I came across a possibly slightly overpriced adapter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Carl-Zeiss-Luminar-100mm-f6-3-M35-to-M42-Adpater_W0QQitemZ380058590700QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Which diameter is yours? Maybe the Linhof adapter you've got has another mount you might adapt to Canon? A H'blad to eos adapter should do the trick, with the additional bonus of fitting the rest of the blad lenses you may have.

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

Thanks for the quick information. So far I see , if I buy this overpriced adapter M35-M42 from Hongkong, I need the second adapter M42-M39 in order to use Manual Focus System (Z�rk stuff).
The middle way for me now, to order M35-M39 adapter if it exist.
Your idea to use H'blad-EOS adapter was done, I already compare H'blad lenses with another high quality lenses (Contax, Canon, Nikon etc).
50 mm in Medium format equal 28 mm in FF digital body, I missed super wide angel in this case, and my fish eye 30mm tells me " back to the root " is the best way.
Dickb thanks once more !
Regards

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

Is there a reason why you don't want to use the Luminar/Linhof/H'blad/eos adapters combination, given that you appear to own all of these? Maybe the Linhof shutter has a more standard thread you can use for adaptation? Have you checked whether your Luminar has a 44mm or 35mm thread?

Just checking..

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

My Luminar 100mm has M35x0,75 mount, and has adapter M35-M44 as well.
I avoid to use H'blad-EOS adapter cause of the long distance to the sensor.
In such extrem magnification (use 16mm or 25mm) , I wish a little shorter distance. Thats why I use MFS Z�rk, light and flexible.

Yes I have all the Luminar lenses, and already compare with another lenses like Leitz photar , olympus 20mm, canon 20mm.
The sharpness is incredible.
Did you use Luminar as well ?
Regards

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

dickb wrote:
You may want to check out suppliers of astronomical like Borg and Oasis, they've all kinds of adapters and nice helical focussers:
http://sciencecenter.net/hutech/borg/parts/index.htm

Many thanks for the link.
My aim was to get infinity with Luminar 100mm , this lens is not calculated for infinity, but it is sometimes usefull .
Regards

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

Is the m44 0.75 or 1.0? If 1.0, you could use a Miranda m44 to m39 adapter as made by Novoflex, known as a LEIMIR:

http://www.collectcamera.com/colcam/catalogus/objectgen.php?object_ID=582&cat_name=Novoflex%20adapters&cat_id=59&PHPSESSID=829d2442cc47e5f70faa5cd7df02976b

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

dickb wrote:Is the m44 0.75 or 1.0? If 1.0, you could use a Miranda m44 to m39 adapter as made by Novoflex, known as a LEIMIR....

Hi dickb, thanks for all usefull information in the past time.
I couldn't find the adapter, which you mentioned, but I have had another way.
I use self made adapter M44x0,75 to M39 and combined it with Z�rk MFS.
At the end I compared Luminar 100mm with different lenses from different manufacture.
The result at infinity was surprisingly good ( although Luminar is calculated as macro large format ) and can be seen at my flickr link.

Best regards

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

Hmm, you could have it easier and checked my macrolenses sit. I have adaptors for all Luminars types and sizes as well as different helicoids also allowing for infinity.

Lens data: http://www.macrolenses.de/ml_detail.php?ObjektiveNr=93

Congrats that you found about these fantastic lenses!

Cheers,

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

Hi Klaus, thanks for the comment.
Long time ago I noticed (someone told me) that one expert macro lenses in Weinheim exist, but may be cause of my job (very busy), I forgotten to
make a contact.
I used it at the time with H'blad and compared it with different macro lenses (OM, Photar etc).
What I like with Luminar is, light, small, flexible with 63mm and 100mmm (extremly macro, useable as short tele).
Do you have any russian macro lenses same like Luminar ?.
Best regards

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

Sure: http://www.macrolenses.de/ml_detail.php?ObjektiveNr=326

very hard to find, not cheap. Never made a thorough comparison test yet.

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

kds315 wrote: very hard to find, not cheap. Never made a thorough comparison test yet...

Yes, it is hard to find, I was several time cause of my job in Russia, but never saw it .
All the lenses were to be seen at ebay.pl last year.
Could you tell me the average price for this ?.

Kind regards

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

Luminar 100mm estimate is EUR500...600 current market value, sometimes even higher, sometimes lower, all depending on condition. BEWARE: rear lens is often damaged since it sticks out, so if people set it down, they set it on the bare rear lens often causing a very bad spot right inthe center of the rear lens - and that shows in pics!! Always set that lens down on its front!!

I have a second one here if you need one...

I don't have a market price for the russian lenses, never have seen them sold here.

But they won't beat a Luminar, I'm sure!! The only real competitor I would accept which come close are the Macro Nikkors (19/35/65/120mm). I have a second 120mm here if you need one.

Cheers,

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

Thanks Klaus for your kindly information !,
I already compared Luminar with Nikkor stuff, it is hard to beat Luminar.
My colleague in Alabama was looking for Luminar last year, after he saw my result....
I am pretty excited at the moment to use Biogon 5,6/40mm with Leica M8, do you have any idea ? especially hellicoid .

Best wishes

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

You mean that S-Biogon 40mm?
http://www.macrolenses.de/ml_detail.php?ObjektiveNr=44
Do you have the center filter for it?

Quite some monster in front of that tiny M8!
Bust surely stunning image quailty.
Helicoid surely is an issue due to that very
special lens mount. Do you need to achieve
infinity focus?

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

Very different use and very different $$$$ (Apo EL, S-Ortho, S-Planar 4/100) than the 100mm Luminar. Same with Printing Nikkors 95/105mm.
And before asking, YES, I also have and use these here.

kievuser · Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

These are mostly early chipmaking lenses where this kind of resolution was needed. Demands very high effort in mounting, collimation, special light (mostly monochromatic UV light) etc. Played around with some, the Ultra Macro Nikkors for instance.

Nothing for handheld shooting, that's for sure!! Wink

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

Klaus,

I'm aware you've got these lenses (they're listed as such in your wonderful database I linked to), that they tend to be costly and that they are designed for other things (which doesn't automatically mean they don't perform well in comparison to a Luminar) Smile

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I remember reading about someone claiming that his Reichert Neupolar 100/6.3 decidedly outperformed his Luminar. Did you happen to test your samples of these lenses? Not that likely, I know, with the quantity of lenses in your collection, but you can always ask.

kds315* · Expire: 2021-03-09

I know whom you mean Dick. Dan and I mainly agree but in that case I have to leave it open, since I haven't done a thorough test yet. I have two or so (older, newer) of the Reichert 100mm Neupolars, shot once or twice with them, but wasn't blown away. But that does not mean anything since it wasn't a comparative shootout. Further I don't know anything about that 100mm Luminar he used for his comaprison. It could have a damaged rear lens, which unfortunately many have since the lens protrudes the barrel, who knows...

convert1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Germany

kds315* wrote: You mean that S-Biogon 40mm? .....
Do you need to achieve infinity focus?

Yes, I have this monster in mint condition without center filter and it would be fine if you have hellicoid for that to achieve infinity focus.
The image quality should be the best cause of his high resolution

Kind regards

kievuser · Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551

Hi Klaus,

I also picked up a few strange lenses. One is a Chinese 50/2 M=1/5. it closes down to F5.6 only,and a letter e on the front ring. I quess it is a micro reduction lens. Another is a 16mm F1.6 with a letter d on the front ring. It looks like a very high qulaity solidly built lens. Based on your knowleadge of those special lenses, could you guess what they could be?

kind regards,

zhang

dickb · Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821

I'm not Klaus, but a quick bit of info on "d" or "e" specialised lenses. These letters probably refer to the wavelength for which they are optimised:

d-line (yellow Sodium line, 589,2938nm)
e-line (green Mercury line, 546,0740nm)

The M=1/5 probably refers to the magnification for which it is optimised, like the Nikon Nikkor-O 55/1.2:

http://homepage2.nifty.com/akiyanroom/redbook-e/repro/crtface2.html

I was about to link to Klaus's site but his sample is the older version, without the red M=1/5 on the front ring.