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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: My first Pentacon Six photograph Reply with quote



taken with MIR-26B 3.5/45 wide open
Film was a T-Max 100


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep shooting with your 5D Smile Good shoot and perhaps fun to use old camera.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, my 5D will never be able to make a shot like this one.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that , next time please make a double action from same subject I really curious.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could maybe do it if I had a 28mm f/1.4 - which I don't even know if it exists.

Impossible with a normal 28mm. like a 28mm f/2.8 to have such a narrow DOF on a 135 camera.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see I didn't think about that.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I need the help of you all guys.
I need to know how this image looks on your monitor.

There are two questions, please choose one of the answers each.

HOW DO THE SHADOWS LOOK ?

a) too dark, I am losing some detail
b) balanced ok
c) too bright, pure black seems to be missing

HOW DOES THE GREYSCALE LOOK?

a) I see a reddish tint (slight-heavy?)
b) I see balanced greys
c) I see a greenish tint (slight-heavy?)

Thanks for your help!


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C and A for me.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b,b looks okay.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks. Please keep the answers coming.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What puzzles me is that I did an "auto contrast" on this picture.
Yet, on my newer monitor, which I calibrated accurately, it seems without pure black.
Which is a nonsense, as Photoshop is a software and it is supposed to set the pure black when performing an auto contrast.
I can not figure this out.

Also, on my calibrated monitor, the image seems to have a reddish tint, while on the older monitor (not so well calibrated) the greys seem perfectly balanced).

Please keep teh answers coming and don't let be influenced by previous answers or this post, please tell me what you see on your monitor wihtouth thinking of these words.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have understood what happened: Photoshop has seen the pure black in the scan edges, and set the auto contrast to it. Since it's of course much darker than anything else in the image, this explains why the image looks with shallow shadows.

It remains to explain the reddish cast, provided that I and Lukasz are not the only ones to see it.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please let me know how do you evaluate this following version in comparison with the first one:



PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More contrasty , looks better.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much better but still somewhat reddish. Try to make a "negative" image out of it - on my monitor it's slightly cyan. I've made "pure" B&W version of the image, if you don't mind, I can post it to the forum.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lgrabun wrote:
Much better but still somewhat reddish. Try to make a "negative" image out of it - on my monitor it's slightly cyan. I've made "pure" B&W version of the image, if you don't mind, I can post it to the forum.


Please do.
I would like to know the way you neutralize greys in photoshop.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way the reddish cast on the image must have been imposed by the Epson scanner. The negative is true B&W and I did not touch a single slider to edit the colors.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
By the way the reddish cast on the image must have been imposed by the Epson scanner. The negative is true B&W and I did not touch a single slider to edit the colors.


It can be development as well. All B&W films I have developed in a local lab have a slight cyan tint which - when scanned and made negative - yeilds reddish cast.

The following image was converted to monochrome with Convert function in B&W; in situations like this I think it's more than enough and no tinkering with filters and channels playing is required:



PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lgrabun wrote:

The following image was converted to monochrome with Convert function in B&W; in situations like this I think it's more than enough and no tinkering with filters and channels playing is required:


Don't you lose much color space by turning to Greyscale?
I was thinking of duplicating the layer, invert it, then set blend to "color".
This should make a perfect B&W and keep the whole RGB color space.


Last edited by Orio on Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:48 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and of course "fill" set to 50%

I just tried it, it works great! Will make an action out of it.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another image, always P6, this time with the CZJ Biometar 2.8/80, stopped down. Film = Kodak TMax100.



direct:
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3586/p6biometar02redtq6.jpg

I am of the impression that this film, contrary to most negative films, gives the best and richer tones when underexposed a tad .


PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio, never mind what Attila says, these are great shots! Very Happy And those
negatives will last a long long time, too...

Bill


PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katastrofo wrote:
Orio, never mind what Attila says, these are great shots! Very Happy And those
negatives will last a long long time, too...

Bill


Thanks Bill. I am very happy, although the camera suffers from the P6 problem of overlapping frames. But the few that were ok have really fascinated me. No, there are some things that medium format can do and the small format can not, digital or not.
I am inspired to write something about it, maybe I will.


PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I luv this format! I hope to be doing my own developing of B&W film in
less than a month!

I'm seeing loads of detail in these shots, and it's that organic thing again,
splendid!

Bill