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Ivan Lee
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 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: Minolta MD Rokkor 85mm f/1.7 |
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: Minolta MD Rokkor 85mm f/1.7 |
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Ivan Lee wrote:
I just found these samples I took with this lens, I didn't remember this lens was that nice... I don't even remember why I sold it, it's just a bit soft wide-open but perfectly acceptable! at f/2.8 is great!
f/1.7
f/2.8
f/2.8
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IAZA
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IAZA wrote:
looks nice, and similar to my hexanon 85/1,8, I haven't found such model yet 
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nixland
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nixland wrote:
My Rokkor MD 85/1.7 is sharp enough wide open. I mean not as sharp as Canon 85L or Nikon AF-D but for me the sharpness is acceptable 
The MD is sharper than my MC. But the MC bokeh is bit smoother and the color is warmer.
Below is the 100% from various focus distance. Canon 5DII, standard setting, no sharpening.
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Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Nixland I'd like to see the whole version please. Especially the last photo.
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nixland
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nixland wrote:
No problem. Here it is ....
The photo is part of my portrait lens test project which involves about 24 portrait lenses. I am in the process of exploring & eliminating my lenses
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Thanks. I really like this one. I am sure you won't eliminate 85mm Rokkor.
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tomasg wrote:
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| Thanks. I really like this one. I am sure you won't eliminate 85mm Rokkor. |
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scsambrook
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scsambrook wrote:
Hi Nixland! I like your pictures. And I have a soft spot for Minolta lenses even if I no longer have any.
A couple of things to think about -
In that last shot of the dark haired girl, looking at your crop I think you've actually got the point of focus on her hair line, slightly to the rear of the eyes. Hard to tell on a small screen, but maybe so.
You say no sharpening applied? Opinions may differ on this but I'm not convinced that is really fair to a lens whose capabilities you're exploring.
I think of the digital image as being like the latent image on a film emulsion. If we were looking for the capabilities of a lens with a film camera, would we develop that film in a "universal" or "fine grain" developer? No, we'd almost certainly use one which brought out the "adjacency" effects ( i.e. acutance) in the processed image. Now, no acutance developer can create sharpness where it doesn't exist in the latent image, but other types of devlopers can fail to realise the resolution of detail which does exist in a latent image.
Having wasted hours messing about with digital images I've not really learned very much, beyond finding out that much the same happens with sharpening in photo-processing software as with developing a film. Some degree of sharpening brings out what's really there, too much produces what is clearly a spurious type of sharpening - rather like devloping Tri-X in the old Kodak High Definition Developer where you were pretty much seeing the sharpness of the grain structure rather than the image in it.
Try as I might, I can't make digital images from my 50mm Domiplan produce real fine detail, or those from my 20mm Cosina, because it's not there.
Well, to each his, or her, own. But I guess your way does provide a particularly level playing field for comparisons though - different lenses do seem to reveal their greatest details at different levels of sharpening and contrast adjustment.
Time to shut up and drink my coffee
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nixland
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nixland wrote:
Pancolart & Tomas: thanks
Rokkor 85 surely wont be eliminated. It's one of my fav. The problem is I have to pick which one between MC (smoother bokeh & I like the color) vs MD (sharper)
@scsambrook: yes, the focus maybe miss a bit. It's hard to nail the focus on the eye at WO at that distance eventhough I used the 10x zoom live view and a tripod.
The 100% crop is original with no sharpening. But you could still see the 'glow' there a bit. But for its still acceptable.
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Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Minolta MD Rokkor 85mm f/1.7 |
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Minolta MD Rokkor 85mm f/1.7 |
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Orio wrote:
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f/2.8
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Great cat photo!!
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Orio wrote:
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No problem. Here it is ....
The photo is part of my portrait lens test project which involves about 24 portrait lenses. I am in the process of exploring & eliminating my lenses
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You can eliminate any lens you want, just don't eliminate this model! 
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nixland
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nixland wrote:
@Orio: hahaha ...
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Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
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Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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erkie
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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erkie wrote:
I like the way this lens absolutely isolates the subject ! But without being a stark isolation.
Makes me miss having a my Minolta fully functional. Of course the subject matter and your ability to compose the shot made just as much difference. A very fine shot indeed.
Eric
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dnas
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dnas wrote:
You might find these comparisons between different Minolta 85mm lenses intresting. I have the MD Rokkor 85mm F2m, and it's a gem!!!
http://www.rokkorfiles.com/85mm%20Page%201.htm |
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nixland
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nixland wrote:
I read the rokkorfiles comparison before I bought the MC & MD.
The reason I skipped the 85/2 was at that time I was looking for faster portrait lens for each brand
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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dnas
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dnas wrote:
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I read the rokkorfiles comparison before I bought the MC & MD.
The reason I skipped the 85/2 was at that time I was looking for faster portrait lens for each brand |
Mine was a bargain, at around $20 in Tokyo..... |
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rafa1981
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rafa1981 wrote:
For portraiture I would keep the warmer and soft-bokeh version. |
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Lightshow
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Lightshow wrote:
Wow nixland, you do have a nice collection of portrait lenses, The MC is high on my list to get, but it will have to wait till next year. |
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