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PaulC
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 Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8 test images |
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PaulC wrote:
I've just posted a set of 10 Trioplan 100/2.8 images over at Flickr, showing its rather odd bokeh and the resolution it achieves. The link is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulcowan/sets/72157611911916336/
Several of the images are 100% crops of small sections of my Canon 5D shots, 'cos you can't tell anything about a lens from scaled-down pictures.
Enjoy if you like ... I'm off to bed. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
We have a fun club here of this lens, story started with "Maxim's bicycle" 
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Great shots, but I suggest to take portraits with it as opposed to bicycles (as Attila suggests) 
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PaulC
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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PaulC wrote:
Now that is just beautiful.
My aim down on the seafront yesterday was largely to try to find faults with the lens. It's at least as important to understand what a lens does badly as it is to know what it does well ... if we know how to avoid any bad result we won't accidentally end up with bits in a photo where the lens's weaknesses are apparent.
I wouldn't want to shoot a portrait with this if there was some sort cluttered, backlit tree-branch/leaf/sky area behind because the chances are the bokeh would be horrible and a Sonnar would do a better job. If the background is uncluttered, with fairly large areas of different colour, then the bokeh would be lovely and smooth with the Trioplan.
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
You're right! One needs to know the strengths and weaknesses of a certain lens first to avoid unwanted results.
BTW: I'm one of the few who does not like the bokeh of Sonnar (derivatives) at all. I even don't like the bokeh of the Sonnar 180/2.8... 
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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A G Photography
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
For portrait work I'd use the Trioplan 100/2.8 all the day instead than Sonnar.
And if you want to have some nice soft focus effect just use that lens wide open (at least this works with my very old copy).
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CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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PaulC
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PaulC wrote:
It's funny, I was thinking about lens choices in the bar last night (it is where all my best thinking happens ). The experts in search of mathematical perfection have persuaded everybody that there is an ideal optical result which everybody should aim for. The lens manufacturers and the public all accept this as a self-evident truth and strive for results that reflect some sort of identikit gold standard of excellence.
But what if there is no real "good" or "bad", there is just different? Then the lens-makers are really no different from farmers who have almost wiped out livestock/vegetable diversity in the race to achieve rapid growth and supermarket-approved appearance regardless of everything else, including flavour.
Who is to say that the saturation and contrast achieved through multi-coating is actually "better" than the more subdued results from a single-coated lens? It is certainly good to have multi-coated lenses available but for artistic reasons, might we not sometimes want the results from single-coated lenses?
Does single-coating actually lift the foreground object out of its background, creating a sense of depth. In other words, is this effect:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1062/1455964245_f6920c669c.jpg?v=1191422091
the result of the lens? I don't know how I could reproduce that using a modern camera and lens. If the faded background is a consequence of the coating, then the choice between MC and single or uncoated becomes a major artistic decision, not an automatic technical default.
The same for bokeh (which everyone agrees is a subjective judgement). Which is your favourite type, out of interest? |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
I just viewed that picture of the old black car in front of a river and a city. As everything is sharp in the picture there's no such thing as "bokeh". It's just air pollution which makes the background appear "hazy". This can easily be reproduced, be it with old or new lenses.
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My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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PaulC
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| I just viewed that picture of the old black car in front of a river and a city. As everything is sharp in the picture there's no such thing as "bokeh". It's just air pollution which makes the background appear "hazy". This can easily be reproduced, be it with old or new lenses. |
Oh, is that the cause? I thought it was something to do with the lens contrast.
It's getting hard to find decent air pollution these days
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A G Photography
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A G Photography wrote:
I don't think it's pollution. Sunny day, river, water, so humidity and steam. Just like in about every landscape painting, atmospheric haze is something very useful in giving dimensionality to an image.
Anyway you have to discover each lens advantages and faults trough use, there's no fixed formula, especially with old lenses that were mostly made by hand (or with very little automated machinery) out of real glass.
Today people want sharpness and contrast from a lens, or at least this is what marketing told them to want.
I instead know about a million of situations where I don't want razor cut sharpness and/or intense contrast.
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
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Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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PaulC
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: |
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PaulC wrote:
You are rapidly becoming my hero, Alessandro.
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