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yadisl
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 Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: Is it FAKE Pancolar? |
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yadisl wrote:
Written on the lens body: electric MC pancolar 1.8/50 aus JENA DDR 9708561
I tried to googling a bit, but still clueless.
It looks like a fake to me (the 'MC' is in color and and the letters look fake), but ....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220519810096&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_4579wt_1009
Anybody can help?
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
No, this is a known variant of the Pancolar.
Actually the owner of this forum is also selling a Pancolar and it's even the same version (though not "electric" but that does not matter if you are not using it on the right Praktica): Click here to see on Ebay
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Nope that's a Pancolar from the era where Carl Zeiss Jena weren't allowed to use the words "Carl Zeiss" on their export lenses (the West German Carl Zeiss company were not happy). Some were branded as Aus Jena and others Jena. I'm sure others will chip in to fill the gaps.
In fact, it should be a good one 
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no-X
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
This is quite rare version. I had one. This Pancolar has Zeiss optics, but mechanical part is made by Pentacon very likely.
http://forum.mflenses.com/strange-mc-pancolar-50-1-8-t15457.html
Definately not a fake. It wouldn't be profitable to make fake Pancolars - even the manufacturers ring would be more expensive today, than the entire lens 
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yadisl
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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yadisl wrote:
Thank you for all the answers. Really help.
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Canon canonet 1.9
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Rokkor MD 200/4, MD 50/1.4, MC PF 50/1.4, MD 135/3.5, Pentax SMC-M 50/4 macro, Takumar 105/2.8, Jena DDR 135/3.5, Porst 135/2.8, Prinzgalaxy 300/4, Mamiya ZE 300/4, Jena Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, CZJ Flektogon 4/20, Helios 58/2, Konica Hexar AR 50/1.4, Wollensak Velostigmat 90/4.5, Voigtlander Heliar 18 cm / 4.5, Heliar 15 cm / 4.5, APO Lanthar 15 cm / 4.5, Zeiss Tessar 105/3.5, Zeiss Opton 75/3.5, Mamiya 55/2.8, ZD 14-42, Minolta 17-35/2.8-4 D, Petri 35/3.5, Leica-R 35/2.8, Minolta 70-210/4, Minolta 35-70/4, Minolta 50/1.7. |
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estudleon
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I have the not electric version. The MC in red is the first version of the black MC lens.
The number is <10.000.000. Very first pancolar in MC. Perhaps more yellowish than the other version. >10.000.000 the letters are smaller.
Export version. better QC.
Rino.
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Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
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Tharos
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Tharos wrote:
I have the zebra version that writes Aus Jena only. Any info about that version? Is it one of the goods ones or not?
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no-X
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I think the thread gets a bit confusing
1. early MC Pancolars had "MC" written in red
2. Carl Zeiss Jena lenses, which were made for export are labeled "aus Jena"... these lenses are typically good copies
3. lens linked in 1st post has red MC, it is labeled "aus Jena", BUT this lens isn't standard Carl Zeiss Jena product - it has Carl Zeiss Jena optical block, but mechanical part is made by Pentacon
I have no idea, why CZJ outsourced some production - maybe the demand was too high or there was a reason why CZJ couldn't produce lenses for some time (broken machines? fire? I don't know).
Anyway, these "Pentacon made Pancolars" can be recognized by a few signs:
1. lettering is visibly bolder than on traditional CZJ Pancolars
2. all of them have "MC" written in red
3. aperture ring isn't CZJ-styled, but Pentacon-styled (similar to black 50/1.8 Pentacon)
4. focusing ring has 6 rows of bumps - CZJ Pancolars has 5 of them or 3 of them (the slimmer version)
5. A/M switch is small (Pentacon-styled)
In short, there are these MC Pancolar models:
1. red MC, CZJ made - pictured here
2. red MC, Pentacon made (bold lettering, 6 rows on the focusing ring) = the one linked in 1st post = see my picture: on the right
3. white MC, CZJ made (5 rows on the focusing ring) - see my picture: on the left
4. white MC, CZJ made, slim version (3 rows on the focusing ring) - see ny picture: in the middle
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estudleon
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Tharos.
I saw two types of zebra pancolar 50 mm in M42 mount: F/1,8 and F/2.
Both are more prone to be yellowish than the posterius black. ('cos they are older?).
Somebody told us that the zebra had a better IQ. I don't have this model.
If anybody have both, perhaps a comparision can be a good idera.
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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