| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
MaxMartini
Joined: 15 Nov 2010
Posts: 4
Location: Poland
|
 Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: i need cheap 85mm lens, please give me advice |
 |
|
MaxMartini wrote:
Hello!
i need fast 85mm lens for portraits with good bokeh
i heard that jupiter 8 is good, but unfortunately i have not seen 1/1 sample crops or comparison to other lenses
i'm looking for used samyang 85/1.4 also
but i'm afraid that this lens has too digital character
helios 85mm f1.5 is too expensive... but probably the best choice 
do you know other lens worth to considering? up to $250 ?
_________________
nikon d300 ; olympus 510 ; zeiss 50/1.8 ; super takumar 50/1.4 ; pentacon 50/1.8 135/2.8 ; zuiko 28/2 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 2190
Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
Expire: 2013-01-24
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
themoleman342 wrote:
| Quote: |
| i heard that jupiter 8 is good, but unfortunately i have not seen 1/1 sample crops or comparison to other lenses |
I assume you mean the Jupiter-9? The Jupiter 8 is a 2/50 rangefinder lens.
Another cheap option is getting a medium-format volna 2.8/80mm or biometar 2.8/80mm in P6 mount and finding an adapter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MaxMartini
Joined: 15 Nov 2010
Posts: 4
Location: Poland
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
MaxMartini wrote:
oh yes, Jupiter 9
i just found nice comparison
http://www.monuniverspentax.com/test_helios_jupiter/test_helios_jupiter.html
helios eats jupiter for breakfast
_________________
nikon d300 ; olympus 510 ; zeiss 50/1.8 ; super takumar 50/1.4 ; pentacon 50/1.8 135/2.8 ; zuiko 28/2 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Laurentiu Cristofor
Joined: 23 Oct 2010
Posts: 524
Location: WA, USA
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
You should know that the Jupiter-9 is a soft lens. The Helios is not that amazing either - check the review on photozone.
I'd pick the Samyang, because it's the fastest of the options you enumerated, it's available close to your budget limit, and I liked the shots I saw from it. You can find the Rokinon on ebay for around $260. There are plenty of threads around with sample shots, so you can judge the character of the lens.
Just so you know, there's also a Mitakon 85/2 that showed up recently on ebay - it's cheaper than the Samyang, but it's f/2 and not as readily available as the Samyang. If you scroll down the forum a bit, you'll see the thread about it.
_________________
http://www.ipernity.com/home/2419272
https://laurphoto.blogspot.com/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MaxMartini
Joined: 15 Nov 2010
Posts: 4
Location: Poland
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
MaxMartini wrote:
thanks for answers!
i just saw few auctions with olympus om 85mm f2
is it good at f2 ?
_________________
nikon d300 ; olympus 510 ; zeiss 50/1.8 ; super takumar 50/1.4 ; pentacon 50/1.8 135/2.8 ; zuiko 28/2 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008
Posts: 6943
Location: S Glos, UK
Expire: 2013-11-18
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
martinsmith99 wrote:
Tamron Adaptall-2 90mm Macro is a great lens and very sharp.
If you want a softer portrait lens the Jupiter 9. The alu M39 version is supposed to be sharper, which is the one I have. It is not as sharp as the Tamron, but a long way from being soft.
_________________
Casual attendance these days |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
Posts: 1633
Location: Niederrhein, Germany
Expire: 2011-12-02
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
exaklaus wrote:
| MaxMartini wrote: |
thanks for answers!
i just saw few auctions with olympus om 85mm f2
is it good at f2 ? |
It is a pretty good one, even at f2 and it is amazingly small.
Klaus
_________________
my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 109
Location: Maastricht
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ivo wrote:
| Laurentiu Cristofor wrote: |
You should know that the Jupiter-9 is a soft lens. The Helios is not that amazing either - check the review on photozone.
I'd pick the Samyang, because it's the fastest of the options you enumerated, it's available close to your budget limit, and I liked the shots I saw from it. You can find the Rokinon on ebay for around $260. There are plenty of threads around with sample shots, so you can judge the character of the lens. |
I bought my Samyang 2 weeks ago and can completely second this advise. It has a lot better ergonomics as the Jupiter, is faster and sharper. I used a Jupiter a lot and don't have any problems with the ergonomics anymore. But for those not used to pre-set lenses it can be a major PITA. At the downside, the Samyang is rather big and heavy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010
Posts: 2936
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
caspert79 wrote:
Old Nikkor-H 85/1.8 is very good and often not expensive. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yinyangbt
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
Posts: 1973
Location: Romania
Expire: 2012-12-27
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
yinyangbt wrote:
On which body will you use the lens ? if it's a m4/3, Hexanon 85/1.8 could be interesting and the rokkor 85/1.7 too.
_________________
Cheers , Teo
http://photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=5778915 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 5077
Location: France
Expire: 2015-08-06
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
Olivier wrote:
Don't forget the Volna-3 !
_________________
Olivier - Moderator 
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
estudleon wrote:
Thanks to the member KUUAN, I have the SMC Tak 2,8/105 and it's a very nice portrait lens.
The 1,8/85 hexanon for 4/3 is really a great lens too.
The jupiter 2/85 is a very good lens too. It's nice to use in portraits and, from F/4, very nice all around lens. Special character and near to be a bargain lens.
Gook luck.
_________________
Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yinyangbt
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
Posts: 1973
Location: Romania
Expire: 2012-12-27
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
yinyangbt wrote:
And maybe the Nikon 85mm F2 AI , if you can live with "only"F2 but the Jup9 is a 2 , also
_________________
Cheers , Teo
http://photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=5778915 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 109
Location: Maastricht
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ivo wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
Thanks to the member KUUAN, I have the SMC Tak 2,8/105 and it's a very nice portrait lens.
|
And as an extra benefit tiny and light. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ash
Joined: 12 Mar 2010
Posts: 185
Location: Evanston, il, usa
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ash wrote:
You can also get medium format mamiya 85/2.8 or 85/1.9 ... they are really good too and in future (if you want) you can mount them with tilt-shift adapter too.. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
Posts: 1633
Location: Niederrhein, Germany
Expire: 2011-12-02
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
exaklaus wrote:
| Ash wrote: |
| You can also get medium format mamiya 85/2.8 or 85/1.9 ... they are really good too and in future (if you want) you can mount them with tilt-shift adapter too.. |
The 1,9 is very good, but pretty big!
Klaus
_________________
my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Prometheus
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 878
Location: Garphyttan, Sweden
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
Prometheus wrote:
How about the Asahi Super-Takumar 85mm/1.9?
_________________
Retrocamera.net |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MaxMartini
Joined: 15 Nov 2010
Posts: 4
Location: Poland
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
MaxMartini wrote:
old nikons are still expensive,
probably olympus 85mm f2 will be good choice
now i'm using old lenses with olympus 4/3 but i'm going to buy classic 5d only for manual lenses
_________________
nikon d300 ; olympus 510 ; zeiss 50/1.8 ; super takumar 50/1.4 ; pentacon 50/1.8 135/2.8 ; zuiko 28/2 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 6624
Location: United Kingdom
Expire: 2014-11-24
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ManualFocus-G wrote:
A basic test but may have some value:
http://www.google.co.uk/m/url?ei=ZVThTJBOnpGMB_b85XE&q=http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t%3D30478%26view%3Dnext&ved=0CBIQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGuCfwA43ov9wwIItb1iZlh8qL85A
_________________
Graham - Moderator 
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 29545
Location: West Emilia
Expire: 2012-12-04
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Orio wrote:
The newer J9 are soft on design at wide open, to provide glow for portraits.
If you take an old aluminium J9, they are different, and a good copy is sharp also wide open. Sure there are bad copies around also. It's a lottery.
But what is sure is that a good copy of old type aluminium Jupiter-9 is sharp wide open.
_________________
Orio, Administrator
T*
NE CEDE MALIS AUDENTIOR ITO
Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/
Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive!
http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 109
Location: Maastricht
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ivo wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
The newer J9 are soft on design at wide open, to provide glow for portraits.
If you take an old aluminium J9, they are different, and a good copy is sharp also wide open. Sure there are bad copies around also. It's a lottery.
But what is sure is that a good copy of old type aluminium Jupiter-9 is sharp wide open. |
When I compare the Samyang with the Jupiter at 2.0 I do see a difference, the Samyang is by far sharper. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
estudleon wrote:
Yes, Ivo. The samyang/rokinon/etc. 1,4/85 i sby far sharpest at wide aperture than the J9.
But you a re talking about two very different lenses, You can say, with certain reason, that both are nice portrait lenses. And is true too than they are so, so differents that you can use the two at the same time.
I prefer the J9 IQ (not equal to resolution power as all of us know). I found in that lens a determinated context that gives to the subject certain magical appearance not very common. Without any PP the J9 can give us excelent portraits with more or less resolution power and great IQ.
Question of taste.
Rino.
_________________
Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 109
Location: Maastricht
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ivo wrote:
Jes indeed, two different ones. I mainly use 85mm for concerts and sports hence my preference now for the Samyang. I did use a Jupiter for many years with great pleasure and I'll certainly keep it and use it from time to time. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009
Posts: 2530
Location: Thach Alabama
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Big Dawg wrote:
| Ivo wrote: |
| Jes indeed, two different ones. I mainly use 85mm for concerts and sports hence my preference now for the Samyang. I did use a Jupiter for many years with great pleasure and I'll certainly keep it and use it from time to time. |
The Samyang (Vivitar, Rokinon, Bauer) 85 1.4 gets my vote.
_________________
Big Dawg |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
estudleon wrote:
| Ivo wrote: |
| Jes indeed, two different ones. I mainly use 85mm for concerts and sports hence my preference now for the Samyang. I did use a Jupiter for many years with great pleasure and I'll certainly keep it and use it from time to time. |
Agree. I Prefer to say one plus the other than one OR the other.
Rino.
_________________
Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
Search
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
