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Richard_D
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 Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Helios81n - 50mm f2 - samples |
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Richard_D wrote:
See I don't just collect Nikkor 50mm's... 
Canterbury Cathedral memorial garden.
at f8:
f8 100% crop unsharpened:
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http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/311_helios81n_f8_crop_1.jpg[/img]
at f2.8:
f2.8 100% crop unsharpened:
f2:
and 100% crop at f2 (yes I did just clip the highlights  )
What do people think?
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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| What do people think? |
I think it's very sharp!!
What Helios is it? 50mm f/2, I never heard of it.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
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| What do people think? |
I think it's very sharp!!
What Helios is it? 50mm f/2, I never heard of it.
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Orio:
Helios 81n - it's the standard lens for Kiev 19's - the physical design is almost identical to the Nikkor 1.8 AIS - short version, I wouldn't be surprised if the optics weren't ermmm 'inspired' by it. Flare resistance isn't great, but other than that it's a very good performer.
I think it's possibly sharper than my new Nikkor 1.8 AI. Bokeh's not quite as smooth as I'd really like, but hardly unpleasant.
Easiest way to pick one up is buy a Kiev (Ł22 ish) with one attached.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Exteriorly, it looks entirely like the Volna-3, do you think it's possible that it's the Volna-3 renamed?
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poilu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Look very good to me Richard
at 2.8 it look quite sharp
interesting that you find it sharper than your nikkor 1.8
Of course flare is important and I am sure your nikkor 1.8 is first class
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VGR
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VGR wrote:
very sharp lens with Lanthan glass ...
OLYMPUS E-330 + Helios-81 (50/2)
all f/2, resize
full-size photo:
http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=312
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| poilu wrote: |
Look very good to me Richard
at 2.8 it look quite sharp
interesting that you find it sharper than your nikkor 1.8
Of course flare is important and I am sure your nikkor 1.8 is first class |
I've only had the Nikkor 1.8 a few days (and not used it in great weather)so it's difficult to fully judge - I think the Nikkor might be better wide open but the Helios at 2.8. Both are plenty sharp enough for me to be happy with them - I suppose a tripod test with identical subject and lighting would be the only real way of comparing them.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Prettier examples than mine
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I love your samples!
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Wow, what blue eyes!!  
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poilu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
wow VGR you make great portrait with every lenses
that's great samples and everybody will want this lens
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Exteriorly, it looks entirely like the Volna-3, do you think it's possible that it's the Volna-3 renamed?
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I thought the Volna-3 was an 80mm lens?
My Helios 81n looks pretty much like a slightly rougher finished and heavier built 50mm E Series Nikkor.
It could be another lens renamed though. Maybe Jupiter 8 based?
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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I thought the Volna-3 was an 80mm lens? |
Yes it is. And I thought that the Helios 81n was a medium format lens (being associated to a Kiev camera) 
OK - reset everything
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VGR
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VGR wrote:
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Helios
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
Hey kids ! You're contemplating masterpieces ... ! Down hats ! Helios is THE LENS !
I proudly took this name as pseudo years ago ... Today it can seem a bit pretentious . I apologize. |
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patrickh
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Certainly looks very good. Not sure it is actually sharper than the later 1.8 nikkor, but gives a real run for little money.
patrickh
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Petzval 1840
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Petzval 1840 wrote:
Hi:
I have two types of Helios 58mm-f:2. One came with Zenit B in 1984.
If I am not wrong, this lens corresponds to Biotar Zeiss, designed in 1936.
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| Petzval 1840 wrote: |
Hi:
I have two types of Helios 58mm-f:2. One came with Zenit B in 1984.
If I am not wrong, this lens corresponds to Biotar Zeiss, designed in 1936.
Regards: David |
Looks like you are talking about a different lens, the Helios 44 
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