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cmontoya
 Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 216 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:06 pm Post subject: First BOKEH shots with a Helios 44-2 58mm f/2 |
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cmontoya wrote:
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I'm not sure if those dark spots are caused by dust from the old lens or from the sensor. _________________ Digital: Canon 450D
AF: Tamron 28-75 2.8
Film: Canonet 28, Canonet QL-17, Nikon FM2
MF: Nikkor 50mm 1.4 |
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NikonD
 Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1891 Location: Central Europe - NW Slovenija
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
wow, great photos! _________________ Roman
Nikon D750
Samyang AE 14/2.8
Nikkor AI 28/2.8
Nikkor AF-S 50/1.8
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kuuan
 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4578 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: First BOKEH shots with a Helios 44-2 58mm f/2 |
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kuuan wrote:
cmontoya wrote: |
I'm not sure if those dark spots are caused by dust from the old lens or from the sensor. |
nice samples...
I have been wondering the same on photos with the round open aperture highlights, and I do 'believe' that it shows dust inside the lens, that this even may be a good way to test if a lens has dust, but I really don't know if this is true _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections
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martinsmith99
 Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6748 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Great pics, but where are the swirlies? _________________ Martin -
ms-imaging
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cmontoya
 Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 216 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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cmontoya wrote:
@NikonD: Thank you.
@kuuan: Thanks. I think it's dust inside the lens but I'll probably shoot with the lens cap on at f/22 to see.
@martin: Thank you too. I was trying to figure out how to get the swirlies. I think it only works if there are a lot of reflective surfaces (e.g., lighted leaves or flowers) behind the subject. I'll figure out how to get the swirlies sooner or later. _________________ Digital: Canon 450D
AF: Tamron 28-75 2.8
Film: Canonet 28, Canonet QL-17, Nikon FM2
MF: Nikkor 50mm 1.4 |
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DiegoV
 Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 92 Location: Mira, Portugal
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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DiegoV wrote:
Nice photos, cmontoya
About the dark spots, I also think it might be dust inside the lens. Sensor dust generally doesn't appear at wide apertures. But I'm curious to know for sure. Post some photos at f/22 if you can |
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bbshooter
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 49 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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bbshooter wrote:
inspiring photographs! Love the bokeh,colors and composition. _________________ kowa 6 w 55,85,150, Bronica ertsi w 50, 75,150
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minolta hi matic 7s,minolta xg9 w md50 1.7,28-85,135 2.8,58 1.4,osawa 35-70, Pentax k1000,Pz10,ZX5,ZX 10 w 28 viv,50 2 smc,135 2.5 tak,50 1.4 super tak,85-205 soligor,28-70 tokina,sigma 28-80af,70-210 uc 2 af, Miranda sensomat w 50 1.8, Konica Autoreflex w 50 1.8, Rolliflex sl35m w 50 1.8 planar, Kodak Retina IIIC, Yashica Lynx 14 E IC,Lynx 5000,Yashica D, mamiya 500 dtl w 50 2,voightlander vito II auto, Kodak reflex II tlr,Olympus stylus infinity
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eeyore_nl
 Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 832 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
I like the first one! _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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thomasb
 Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 51 Location: Glasgow
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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thomasb wrote:
nice..can't wait to try mine out. _________________ Paragon 500mm F;8, Helios 70-150mm F;3.8, Mirage 100-200 zoom F:5.6, Photax 28mm F:2.8. Sigma 100-200mm F;4.5 Macro. Helios 44-2 F2/58mm. Takumar 135mm f:3.5. |
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Esox lucius
 Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2527 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
cmontoya wrote: |
@martin: Thank you too. I was trying to figure out how to get the swirlies. I think it only works if there are a lot of reflective surfaces (e.g., lighted leaves or flowers) behind the subject. I'll figure out how to get the swirlies sooner or later. |
You are using 1.6x crop frame camera so you get more depth of field. Narrow down depth of field by opening more up and getting in closer. If the the subjects behind depth of field are far away and smooth surfaces like your walls here you won't see swirly bokeh. Shoot wider open and place uneven backgrounds towards corners and edges for swirly bokeh
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/3149743027/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/3149743851/sizes/l/
Most of the time, I actually try to avoid creating it. I'm not a fan of 3 grouped lens bokeh, too restless for me. Quite easy to avoid it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/2833939156/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/2834994307/sizes/l/ _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180
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cmontoya
 Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 216 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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cmontoya wrote:
@DiegoV, bbshooter, eeyore_nl, thomasb: Thank you
@Esox lucius: Thank you for the tip. _________________ Digital: Canon 450D
AF: Tamron 28-75 2.8
Film: Canonet 28, Canonet QL-17, Nikon FM2
MF: Nikkor 50mm 1.4 |
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shauttra
 Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Posts: 782 Location: Latvia
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: |
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shauttra wrote:
so clear pictures  _________________ Mto-1000, Tair-3, Auto Exaktar 135mm 2,8, Samyang 14mm 2.8,
Jupiter 37A, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135/3.5,
Helios-44, Mir-1, Revuenon 50/1.4,
Carl Zeiss Pancolar 50/1.8, Samyang 24/1.4, Auto Vivitar 35/2.8
www.radosi.lv
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cmontoya
 Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 216 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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cmontoya wrote:
Thank you shauttra. The Helios 44-2 has a unique character from my SuperTaks. I like my SuperTaks for their realistic color rendition but when I want to do artsy photos, I'm starting to appreciate the Helios 44-2. I'm now hunting ebay for a Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon MC 35mm f2.
I also read that the Helios 44-2 is based on Carl Zeiss Biotar 58mm f/2 and that Carl Zeiss Biotar comes in 3 varieties: manual, pre-set, and semi-auto. I assume the manual is like SuperTak?
I wonder how I would know the difference when searching for it in ebay. _________________ Digital: Canon 450D
AF: Tamron 28-75 2.8
Film: Canonet 28, Canonet QL-17, Nikon FM2
MF: Nikkor 50mm 1.4 |
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pat donnelly
 Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 669 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: Russki lenses |
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pat donnelly wrote:
There are different versions of your lens, as you say, all based on the biotar. The older ones had more iris leaves. I think up to 12, but perhaps someone has an older one?
They come in silver or black for the newer ones.
Great photos by the way! I think the dust is on your sensor? _________________ ---------------------------------
EP-1, E-410, E-300, D100, D1,
C-Mt: 25mm 1.9, 75mm 1.4, 75mm 1.3, 75mm 1.9, Ultra wides, one inch sensor, 20+ c-mount zooms
OM 350mm f2.8, Nikkor 180 f2.8, Exa 180 f2.8,
Tamrons: 90mm f2.5, 500mm f8 x3, 135 f2.5, 200 f3.5, 24mm 2.5, 28mm 2.5 x8,
FD 500mm mirror lens |
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cmontoya
 Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 216 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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cmontoya wrote:
@pat: Thank you. You may be right about the dust. My camera's a year old already. I'll probably have it cleaned next Saturday. It'd also be a good idea to have it cleaned on its purchase anniversary date. _________________ Digital: Canon 450D
AF: Tamron 28-75 2.8
Film: Canonet 28, Canonet QL-17, Nikon FM2
MF: Nikkor 50mm 1.4 |
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Esox lucius
 Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2527 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Russki lenses |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Three lens element groups construction shapes bokeh more than diaphragm. Diaphragm dictates shape of out of focus highlights (bokeh balls or bokeh polygons), bokeh is mostly due to lens design.
pat donnelly wrote: |
There are different versions of your lens, as you say, all based on the biotar. The older ones had more iris leaves. I think up to 12, but perhaps someone has an older one? |
Pre-war design post-war manufactured has 15 blades. See this topic for more information: http://forum.mflenses.com/two-very-different-biotar-58-mm-f2-carl-zeiss-jena-t22298.html _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180
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RenseH
 Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 571 Location: Zetten - The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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RenseH wrote:
Great pics, I like the 'Christmas Tree Bokeh', have to try this with my Helios-44M too... _________________ Rense
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Bob
 Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 675 Location: Wentzville, Mo.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Bob wrote:
Nice series. This is an under rated lens. _________________ Bob
"In terms of addiction, there is nothing more powerful than men's toys."
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cmontoya
 Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 216 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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cmontoya wrote:
@Bob: Thank you. Yes it is but I found its weakness today. Flare
I'll share the link to my flickr gallery where I uploaded photos of cosplayers (people in costumes) taken with it in another thread. I tested myself, that is, how well I can manually focus on moving people. _________________ Digital: Canon 450D
AF: Tamron 28-75 2.8
Film: Canonet 28, Canonet QL-17, Nikon FM2
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