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Olivier
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you Attila for these samples.
Where and how do you fix the cardboard aperture ? _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Very nice work, some of these shots are wonderful, I particularly like the pine cones on the grass and the pink/purple leaves in the first series.
The rendering is quite unique, it reminds me of Petzval type projector lenses but is not quite the same.
Isn't it fun to play with an oddity sometimes? Congrats. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Olivier wrote: |
Thank you Attila for these samples.
Where and how do you fix the cardboard aperture ? |
Olivier:
I made with nail scissors from cardboard and put into NEX adapter back, it was 5mm wide ring and matched with inner diameter of adapter.
Ian:
Great fun indeed, beginning was painful, but now I am happy.
Adapter with aperture available on Ebay to Canon EOS -> SONY NEX among with an M42->EOS adapter give complete and good solution. _________________ -------------------------------
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Gerris2
Joined: 09 Oct 2011 Posts: 229 Location: Wilmington, Delaware USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Gerris2 wrote:
Super shots, Attila, I have to try now!! _________________ Joseph |
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Olivier
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Gerris2 wrote: |
Super shots, Attila, I have to try now!! |
Attila has shown that details and IQ are there, and only light post processing is needed.
Details are there ! _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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woodrim
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Is this the version that was previously thought to be unuseable? Now useable, but on NEX only? The bokeh seems more calm than the f/1.5 Cyclop. Looks like the f/2 approach is the way to go. Please explain what I'm seeing with the blurry center pictures. _________________ Regards,
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
No, different lens, it's not based on the Helios-40. the unusable one had a long protrusion at the back, this doesn't and has a different optical formula, although we don't know what formula it has. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Is this the version that was previously thought to be unuseable? Now useable, but on NEX only? The bokeh seems more calm than the f/1.5 Cyclop. Looks like the f/2 approach is the way to go. Please explain what I'm seeing with the blurry center pictures. |
At first time I thought unusable, this is different lens than Helios-40-2 based Cyclop this is later advanced model , lighter and 1.2. It has also M42 mount and register distance is longer than M42 so adoptable even to Nikon with single adapter. Blurry center shows what lens do if de-focused I thought interesting effect. _________________ -------------------------------
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std
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Wow the bokeh of this one is quite psychedelic. _________________ Stefan
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SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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visualopsins
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Olivier wrote: |
Thank you Attila for these samples.
Where and how do you fix the cardboard aperture ? |
Olivier:
I made with nail scissors from cardboard and put into NEX adapter back, it was 5mm wide ring and matched with inner diameter of adapter.
Ian:
Great fun indeed, beginning was painful, but now I am happy.
Adapter with aperture available on Ebay to Canon EOS -> SONY NEX among with an M42->EOS adapter give complete and good solution. |
I think correct place for cardboard aperture is at front of lens Placed at rear "aperture" operates as vignette producer without any effect on DOF. Same with NEX adapter having diaphragm. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Olivier wrote: |
Thank you Attila for these samples.
Where and how do you fix the cardboard aperture ? |
Olivier:
I made with nail scissors from cardboard and put into NEX adapter back, it was 5mm wide ring and matched with inner diameter of adapter.
Ian:
Great fun indeed, beginning was painful, but now I am happy.
Adapter with aperture available on Ebay to Canon EOS -> SONY NEX among with an M42->EOS adapter give complete and good solution. |
I think correct place for cardboard aperture is at front of lens Placed at rear "aperture" operates as vignette producer without any effect on DOF. Same with NEX adapter having diaphragm. |
No, it worked on rare and wasn't vignetted at all, Olympic Sonnar 180mm 1954 has aperture as last element covered with a thin glass only. _________________ -------------------------------
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
The edited images look quite good, but I'm not liking the unedited ones at all. I'm still not convinced by this `lens' as a photographic tool.
The foot shot would make a great B&W methinks. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have used cardboard apertures with two or three Petzval type projector lenses and can confirm that there was no vignette issue and I got increased dof and sharpness. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I like the non-edited ones better.
In the edited ones, the local contrast is too pushed for my personal taste. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I like the non-edited ones better.
In the edited ones, the local contrast is too pushed for my personal taste. |
This would be a good time to start the 'editing photos feedback' gallery methinks
I'm sure Attila is fine with seeing your interpretation of how to PP these shots _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I think it's best to leave these photos as they are. This will never be a high contrast lens.
So better to accept it for what it is, and use it in situations that suit it best.
An example is photo #6, the flowers.
That is a good subject for this lens.
Using a collar on a chicken doesn't make a dog of it _________________ Orio, Administrator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
#6 is my fave too.
Nice saying _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
PP is mater of taste I am glad you all tell your opinion , I love harsh colors not muted one. I think this lens has special place on photography tool palette, but it has place for sure. A wedding photographer can use it very well in my opinion. _________________ -------------------------------
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Wedding photogs that I have seen use only modern kit. I'd be surprised to see one using a Helios, let alone an unwieldy beast such as this. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It's not an unweildy beast, it's smaller and lighter than a Helios-40. Modern zooms are hardly small either.
Attila has it right, for dreamy pictures of brides and wedding couples this would be ideal, wedding photographers are fond of this type of shot but tend to accomplish it using filters, that's what all those expensive Cromatek filters were used for. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
Wedding photogs that I have seen use only modern kit. I'd be surprised to see one using a Helios, let alone an unwieldy beast such as this. |
Here there use modern kit too , but some of them who are smarter than others use some unique lens like this to make some extra. Plus what I know use Hasselblad with b&w film etc. Modern kit is essential to make shoots what customers want, but some extra picture not harm maximum customer not take it , but photographer still love it. Wedding photography not the top of photography anyways need to be a very tolerant person to accept all sh* what dear customers can figure out. Friend of mine who did work to National Geographic to 7 yrs said last thing what he will do that is wedding photography, he is rather die than listen what woman can say about his pictures. He did try I think from fat cow make an angle etc not easy... _________________ -------------------------------
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hoanpham
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
I like the outcome of this lens.
Original is ok, may be too low contrast. The PP version might have to much color.
The results look like field curvature - sharp in the center. The lens can be difficult to use. I am not sure if I would bring this lens to a wedding. If that's the case, it would be the last lens for few more artistic shots to increase wow factor. |
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
hoanpham wrote: |
If that's the case, it would be the last lens for few more artistic shots to increase wow factor. |
Exactly. _________________ -------------------------------
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
It's not an unweildy beast, it's smaller and lighter than a Helios-40.
Attila has it right, for dreamy pictures of brides and wedding couples this would be ideal, wedding photographers are fond of this type of shot but tend to accomplish it using filters, that's what all those expensive Cromatek filters were used for. |
Unweildy in that there is no AF (like the Helios) and no aperture control (unlike the Helios). Fine in still life, but fiddling with bits of cardboard is not an option in event photography.
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Modern zooms are hardly small either. |
That depends on the zoom in question. Size is subjective; small in relation to what?
Attila wrote: |
Here there use modern kit too , but some of them who are smarter than others use some unique lens like this to make some extra. Plus what I know use Hasselblad with b&w film etc. Modern kit is essential to make shoots what customers want, but some extra picture not harm maximum customer not take it , but photographer still love it. Wedding photography not the top of photography anyways need to be a very tolerant person to accept all sh* what dear customers can figure out. Friend of mine who did work to National Geographic to 7 yrs said last thing what he will do that is wedding photography, he is rather die than listen what woman can say about his pictures. He did try I think from fat cow make an angle etc not easy... |
I'm sorry, I don't understand this?
I can only speak about the wedding photogs I encountered, which are probably about a dozen (ages from 20s to 70s). Their work is very good and they only shoot using DSLRs and AF lenses. Any dreamy images are made using the modern tendency of using Photoshop.
I think, what we have to remember, is we are all passionate about using old lenses, whereas a majority, just want to see a good image with the least amount of faffing about. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Pancolart
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Come on guys don't loose credibility claiming this is any better then cheapest lens-baby with two plastic elements. Or even one. If there is good, there has to be bad. _________________ ---------------------------------
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