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luisalegria
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 Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:10 am Post subject: Converto-Tamron 135/4.5-225/7.7 - set with matched TC, 1958 |
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luisalegria wrote:
I already had this lens, but this was available as the complete set, with an M42 mini-T mount also -
My old one had an Exakta mount and lacked the matched teleconverter. It was also labelled a "Tamron Twin Tele". It looks like this set went under several names, besides "Twin Tele" amd "Converto", I think some were labelled "Duo-Tamron".
This is one of the first, or possibly the first, case of a matched teleconverter sold as a consumer lens. And of course, it is the very first Tamron lens.
This is not really rare. Its quite easy to find one on ebay, though the Exakta-mounts are much more common than M42. It was also sold under the Spectra and Taika brands, in alu finish. I just bought another set in alu, with the Taika brand. All of them originally came with the TC. but these days these are often missing - like with my old one I got 30+ years ago.
The lens is of course tiny, metal and quite attractive. The TC is just a tube with what looks like two elements in it. I have tested my old lens before, as a 135, and its quite decent. This new one looks exactly the same, so I didn't bother much using it as a 135.
With the TC on, max aperture is f/7.7 - oh what the heck, lets call it f/8. Wide open the combination is just plain terrible. It is unusable, soft, CA, you name it.
Stopped down to f/11 though, it is as sharp as I can perceive with my sensor. Strangely enough, on the K100D focus confirm works quite reliably on this combination at f/11. Because of the DOF, this means that focus confirm is actually giving a reading for usable sharpness. So this combo is quite easy to use and focus with on the DSLR, in spite of the dim image. Will wonders never cease ?
In bright sun this thing is very usable and can give excellent results. So back in 1958 this wasn't just a silly toy.
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Attila wrote:
 WOW Amazing!
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cilinderman wrote:
Sharp as a razor photos  Never heard about the this kind of lenses!
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estudleon wrote:
Hi, Luis
Great sample of lens.
I will not say the beauty of your pics any more!!!!
Regards, Rino.
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Nesster wrote:
indeed, excellent. And a lovely bit of history. Great names they used to give lenses, and industrial design.
I love this stuff, and Luis your photography is always top notch.
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
That is amazing! 
Please, don't anyone else, the prices will go stupid on ebay  |
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precertvideo
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precertvideo wrote:
Didn't anybody else get the original instructions with theirs?
www.jrussbeauchamp.com/content/00101-00200/137_4.jpg
Apologies for bad scanning. They are printed on terribly thin tissue paper! I should think hardly any have survived.
I also got the original case, hood, hood/filter adaptor ring, screw on lens cap, screw on converter cap and push on converter cap. The case has two compartments, one for the lens, another for the adaptor
www.jrussbeauchamp.com/content/00101-00200/137_1.jpg
EDIT: I cant get an image to work, so please use the above links. |
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Thats very cool ! Its great to have the mint set like this.
I have the hood and rear M42 cap also.
I'm not sure if there's an implication that the set came with both the Exakta and M42 adapters. There was also a Miranda M44 adapter, I have one.
This was a very attractive kit at the time no doubt. And apparently a best-seller.
I have the hood and rear M42 cap.
I linked your pictures -
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Relayer,
That is a later product, 135/2.8 with matched multiplier from 1963 or later.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.tamron.co.jp/data/old-lens/olm135f2_8.htm
Same idea, different lenses.
The same 135/2.8 was also sold just as a 135/2.8, no "Converto" or "Duo".
Nice package, very good for collection.
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Very good price for the complete set !
Also the best version to get, Tamron brand.
The Soligor one has a lower-quality finish.
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Banjo
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Converto-Tamron 135/4.5-225/7.7 - set with matched TC, 1 |
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I already had this lens, but this was available as the complete set, with an M42 mini-T mount also -
This is one of the first, or possibly the first, case of a matched teleconverter sold as a consumer lens. And of course, it is the very first Tamron lens.
The lens is of course tiny, metal and quite attractive. The TC is just a tube with what looks like two elements in it. I have tested my old lens before, as a 135, and its quite decent. This new one looks exactly the same, so I didn't bother much using it as a 135.
With the TC on, max aperture is f/7.7 - oh what the heck, lets call it f/8. Wide open the combination is just plain terrible. It is unusable, soft, CA, you name it.
Stopped down to f/11 though, it is as sharp as I can perceive with my sensor. Strangely enough, on the K100D focus confirm works quite reliably on this combination at f/11. Because of the DOF, this means that focus confirm is actually giving a reading for usable sharpness. So this combo is quite easy to use and focus with on the DSLR, in spite of the dim image. Will wonders never cease ?
In bright sun this thing is very usable and can give excellent results. So back in 1958 this wasn't just a silly toy.
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I know this is an old post but, guess what, I found one of these at a local photo mart for just Aus$5-00 the lot (except for part E  )! |
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cheekygeek wrote:
Threads like this are why I LOVE this place.
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arhi_tectu1
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arhi_tectu1 wrote:
really nice lens very sharp
pic no3 is very gooood really like it
Best regards
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Ash
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Ash wrote:
Do you know how this lens performs?
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Ash,
That would be this one -
http://forum.mflenses.com/converto-tamron-2-8-135-matched-tc-full-1962-kit-t23521,highlight,converto+tamron.html
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wombat
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wombat wrote:
Just happened to find one for 15 euro's 
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kryss wrote:
Here is better copy of data sheet. regards.
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Very nice!
Good find for the price.
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