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 Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:41 am Post subject: Check out the price on this...lens pentax tak 85mm |
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Click here to see on Ebay
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Spotmatic
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If you really, really need it today or tomorrow for a certain task - yes, then this might be a good price. In all other cases this is just plain theft 
It does not even come with the original case, something I would have expected at that price. Luckily I already have the 85/1.8 and 85/1.9 minty, in their original cases, so I don't lust for them anymore
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My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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mo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Luckily that is what I thought, I just could not get over the boldness of asking that price without even hinting at a bidding war.I am new to this game but not that new!! |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
It would surprise me if the lens gets sold at all... But the prices for good glass are on the rise. This forum is one of the many causes
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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mo
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mo wrote:
I have used this forum a lot to judge what to look at buying.You guys give great information. |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
All for the love of money -- oops! I mean glass! 
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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CarbonR
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I already saw a minty 85/1.8 sold for more than 430€, so I think this one is not really overpriced, but you can rather easily find a smaller price
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Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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| I already saw a minty 85/1.8 sold for more than 430€, so I think this one is not really overpriced, but you can rather easily find a smaller price |
Wow, that means that I'm a rich guy!
(I wish I was  but that makes life less interesting of course).
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Check out the price on this...lens pentax tak 85mm |
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| Is this a valid price???? |
I do not think so. Can not define the exact translation of "valid" to German. 210 tp 280 USD would be a "matching" price in my opinion. |
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Check out the price on this...lens pentax tak 85mm |
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| Mo-Fo wrote: |
| Is this a valid price???? |
I do not think so. Can not define the exact translation of "valid" to German. 210 tp 280 USD would be a "matching" price in my opinion. |
I find that cheap for a 85/1.8 SMC Tak. The SMC Pentax-M 85/2 frequently sells for above $250 and is not as good, and appeals to a smaller market (does not fit as easily to a Canon/Nikon as a M42 lens does).
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Séamuis
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I certainly wouldn't pay that much for this particular 85, but its by no means the most outrageous price I have seen for a Takumar. there was a listing about a year ago for a bog standard 3.5 135mm without a case or hood. just the lens and caps with a starting bid of 600 USD. of course it had the typical RARE! in the description...
and there is of course the 4,999.99 USD K1000
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Fish-Eye -- Fish-Eye-Takumar 1:11/18
WideAngle -- Super-Takumar 1:3.5/28, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3/35, Auto-Takumar 1:3.5/35, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/35
Normal -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:1.8/55, Super-Takumar 1:1.8/55, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/55, SMC Takumar 1:1.8/55, Auto-Takumar 1:2/55
TeleType -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/85, S-M-C Takumar 1:2.8/105, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/135, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Zoom -- Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150
Macro -- Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100, Bellows-Takumar 1:4/100
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mo
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mo wrote:
Valid = acceptable price,true price,reasonable price...I don;t speak German but a friend suggested....gultig
I hope that helps. |
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tkbslc
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tkbslc wrote:
That is $460 USD. I would think with some luck you could get a Planar 85 1.4 for not much more. There was a BIN one for $580 today.
The Takumars are fantastic, but not $500 fantastic.
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Spotmatic
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That is $460 USD. I would think with some luck you could get a Planar 85 1.4 for not much more. There was a BIN one for $580 today.
The Takumars are fantastic, but not $500 fantastic. |
I tend to agree with you.
At the same time I know that Takumars belong to the best lenses ever produced. Maybe not always optically, but most definitely mechanically. It is said that each and every Takumar only left the factory after being thoroughly tested. The Takumars were a prestige object for Asahi back then. People are realizing that the Takumars are still great and work like new, even after 40 years. This definitely drives the prices up.
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
It is awfully high. An Australian auction
Keep in mind that some items in Australia are very difficult to come by.
Two of my most surprising high bid ebay auctions went to Australian bidders.
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Mist
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And shipping from Australia is a pain. |
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Séamuis
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Séamuis wrote:
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That is $460 USD. I would think with some luck you could get a Planar 85 1.4 for not much more. There was a BIN one for $580 today.
The Takumars are fantastic, but not $500 fantastic. |
I tend to agree with you.
At the same time I know that Takumars belong to the best lenses ever produced. Maybe not always optically, but most definitely mechanically. It is said that each and every Takumar only left the factory after being thoroughly tested. The Takumars were a prestige object for Asahi back then. People are realizing that the Takumars are still great and work like new, even after 40 years. This definitely drives the prices up. |
I agree with this. and although not every Takumar lens manufactured was optically very good (Takumar-fish-eye 11/18mm) neither were all the Zeiss and Leica Glass. (despite what fanboys might say) but the thing with Takumars is that as a complete lens system they really are among the best ever made both optically and mechanically. just as good overall as anything Carl or Ernst ever produced. the same can be said about (at least non AI) Nikkor lenses, but unlike the nikkors the Takumars have a mystique like Zeiss and Leica. this puts them in the same arena as their German cousins. I mean think about it. there are people who have never used a Pentax camera but know what a Takumar lens is.
as for the testing of every lens. I don't know for sure, but I have read this somewhere myself, and it would make sense and seems very likely. I wonder.. if that is in fact true, who else can claim that?
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Fish-Eye -- Fish-Eye-Takumar 1:11/18
WideAngle -- Super-Takumar 1:3.5/28, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3/35, Auto-Takumar 1:3.5/35, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/35
Normal -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:1.8/55, Super-Takumar 1:1.8/55, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/55, SMC Takumar 1:1.8/55, Auto-Takumar 1:2/55
TeleType -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/85, S-M-C Takumar 1:2.8/105, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/135, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Zoom -- Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150
Macro -- Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100, Bellows-Takumar 1:4/100
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mflex-on wrote:
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Valid = acceptable price,true price,reasonable price...I don;t speak German but a friend suggested....gultig
I hope that helps. |
That was exactly my problem. A passport can be valid = gültig. But not a price. "Acceptable" souds better to me, thanks. 600 $ are not acceptable. |
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mo
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mo wrote:
Well it did not sell...maybe the current economic crisis....
We are desperate down here for choice!! |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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Well it did not sell...maybe the current economic crisis....
We are desperate down here for choice!! |
It's not forbidden to ask the seller for a lower price
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Séamuis
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Séamuis wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Mo-Fo wrote: |
Well it did not sell...maybe the current economic crisis....
We are desperate down here for choice!! |
It's not forbidden to ask the seller for a lower price |
sure isn't. that's how I got a BNIB Macro-Takumar preset 50mm (mint as mint can get) for 250 USD including insured shipping.
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Fish-Eye -- Fish-Eye-Takumar 1:11/18
WideAngle -- Super-Takumar 1:3.5/28, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3/35, Auto-Takumar 1:3.5/35, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/35
Normal -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:1.8/55, Super-Takumar 1:1.8/55, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/55, SMC Takumar 1:1.8/55, Auto-Takumar 1:2/55
TeleType -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/85, S-M-C Takumar 1:2.8/105, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/135, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Zoom -- Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150
Macro -- Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100, Bellows-Takumar 1:4/100
Medium Format -- S-M-C Takumar 6X7 1:2.8/90 LS
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Séamuis wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Mo-Fo wrote: |
Well it did not sell...maybe the current economic crisis....
We are desperate down here for choice!! |
It's not forbidden to ask the seller for a lower price |
sure isn't. that's how I got a BNIB Macro-Takumar preset 50mm (mint as mint can get) for 250 USD including insured shipping. |
Congratulations! I had one too (but a well used example with all of the markings yellowed/paled) and I sold it before I ever knew the value of old lenses 
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
The 85mm f/1.8 SMC Takumar was relisted - and this time with a more sensible starting price. See for yourself:
Click here to see on Ebay
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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What do you think it will go for?? any takers..... 
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