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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: Carl Zeiss Planar 1.8/50 Rollei SL (1972) |
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Orio wrote:
After some years of chase I have been able to find a West Germany made copy of the Planar 1.8/50 for Rollei Bayonet.
The lens is not rare (10,000 the copies made by Zeiss in West Germany) but somehow it always escaped me.
I already have a Singapore version of the lens, I wasn't really pushed to buy this other copy for the anti-Singapore snobbery
but because this is a very early version of the lens. It was made in 1972 and features the old-style all-metal barrel
of Zeiss Rollei lenses - as opposed to the more recent rubber grip type of barrel.
It does not even have the multi-coating writing HFT in spite of the fact that it is quite obviously multi-coated
so it is my guess that Zeiss made this lens before having taken the decision of labeling their multicoated T* lenses with the HFT tag
for consistency with the Rollei lenses produced elsewhere (in Braunschweig or in Singapore).
With this copy, I have a version of the lens that I am 100% sure was created under direct supervision of Erhard Glatzel at Zeiss factory,
and therefore certainly faithful to the original design and glass components, and a credible comparison term for the more recent productions of this lens which I have, namely
the Singapore rubber grip Rollei SL version, and the Voigtlaender M42 version, whose samples I have presented in this thread.
Here's some samples of this German 1.8/50 Planar, I will not leave you waiting and I anticipate that I can't see any quality difference with the lenses made in Singapore.
All the three copies that I have of this lens seem of the same excellent optical quality to me.
The lens first:
#1
#2
And now the samples:
#3
#4 - 100% crop of #3
#5 - 100% crop of #3
#6
#7
#8
#9
#10
#11 - 100% crop of #10
#12
#13
#14 - close distance distortion test
At close distance (usually the most critical for distortion) the Planar 1.8/50 offers a really remarkable performance, worth that of a dedicated macro lens,
with only a slightest barrel distortion barely noticeable:
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#16
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mmelvis
Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 1326 Location: Florida,USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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mmelvis wrote:
Just another fine example of a quality lens. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find a poor copy of this lens no matter where it was made. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
mmelvis wrote: |
Just another fine example of a quality lens. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find a poor copy of this lens no matter where it was made. |
Agreed. And the best thing is that they are still relatively cheap. Usually you can find them for some 50 Euros less (on average) than the Contax 1.7/50,
which is not as good overall in my opinion, at least in the 5x 6x 7x serial numbers version (8x version is much tougher to beat)
This 1.8/50 Planar has less CA and much less distortion than the 1.7/50 Contax.
And, it focuses 15 cm closer, which is an important and useful difference.
The 1.8 has a little more residual spherical aberration wide open than the Contax 1.7, but a far better bokeh at all apertures, and I think that it's a favorable change. At least, it is for me. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Color orgy ! Another fine series! I love them all! _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Color orgy ! Another fine series! I love them all! |
Thanks! Colours are all "natural", that is, they are as they came from in-camera "Standard" setting.
EDIT: Sharpness also is as it came from camera. And photos have not been resharpened after resize. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:40 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
i really like the way it tenders color, just pops right out. i find this a very interesting comparison to your recent voigtlander ultron (?) post. if i recall that lens was also a rollei/zeiss derivative? i find tis lens much more to my liking, much more pop and splendid color and sharpness. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
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Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
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Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
i really like the way it tenders color, just pops right out. i find this a very interesting comparison to your recent voigtlander ultron (?) post. if i recall that lens was also a rollei/zeiss derivative? |
More than that: it is the very same lens, only disguised under a different name. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
then i am crazy to see such a difference?! i felt the ultron was very flat by comparison--maybe as i get older i should no longer trust my eyes! _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
In the use, it feels exactly the same. When I have time I'll take a few comparative pictures. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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pich900
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1745 Location: The Netherlands/Zwolle
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:51 am Post subject: |
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pich900 wrote:
Fantastic colours ....this lens looks like for sure a great performer ...can this lens also be compared to the pancolar 1.8/50mm? _________________ All my lenses are for sale, nikkor, Angenieux, Zeiss etc.....
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
pich900 wrote: |
Fantastic colours ....this lens looks like for sure a great performer ...can this lens also be compared to the pancolar 1.8/50mm? |
The Pancolar is a different lens, made in East Germany, I doubt it has anything in common with this lens aside from the fact of being a double Gauss design (like 99 % of standard lenses made after WWII) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
lovely 3D effect. i've thought of getting the voightlander or zeiss version in f-mount for my nikons ... _________________ Paul
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Outstanding samples. The yellowish leaves on the last pictures (#10 on) are so well taken, Attila has catched the point: color orgy
Fully agree. I keep my Contax 1.7 one but will look for one of those.
Thanks for sharing.
Regards
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
The chair for me #15...and I can't explain why it is my favourite _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5083 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Jesito wrote: |
Outstanding samples. The yellowish leaves on the last pictures (#10 on) are so well taken, Attila has catched the point: color orgy
Fully agree. I keep my Contax 1.7 one but will look for one of those.
Thanks for sharing.
Regards
Jes. |
+1 !
How lucky you are to still have autumn weather, colours and nature !
You enhance their beauty with this lens, Orio !!!
Congrats. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
.... if only it didn't hit the 5DII's mirror past 10 meters _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
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35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Made this photo in 2007. I feel an inner urge to post it:
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