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hktam wrote:
Hi!
I plan to buy a csj lens for taking some photo in close distant, because I am Nikon DSLR, it cannot focus to infinity distant.
Seen 2 deal from internet,
One is Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f4, with attractive silver body.
The other is Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f3.5 Multi coated.
The f3.5 is slightly cheaper but some imperfect on front lens, but it is the successor of f4.
Seem f3.5 is more popular from internet, also included this forum
Which one is a better choice?
Thanks!
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f4 is the left side, Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f3.5 Multi coated is the right side
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135, f4 or f3.5 ? |
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mo wrote:
| hktam wrote: |
Hi!
I plan to buy a csj lens for taking some photo in close distant, because I am Nikon DSLR, it cannot focus to infinity distant.
Seen 2 deal from internet,
One is Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f4, with attractive silver body.
The other is Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f3.5 Multi coated.
The f3.5 is slightly cheaper but some imperfect on front lens, but it is the successor of f4.
Seem f3.5 is more popular from internet, also included this forum
Which one is a better choice?
Thanks!
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f4 is the left side, Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135 f3.5 Multi coated is the right side
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I have the multi coated one (On the far Right) and like it a lot.
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hktam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135, f4 or f3.5 ? |
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hktam wrote:
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I have the multi coated one (On the far Right) and like it a lot. |
Thanks for your reply!
Yes, both lens are good,do you have the left one and compare about them? |
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mo
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mo wrote:
No, but chances are someone else in the forum may have and give you a better answer 
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hktam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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hktam wrote:
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| No, but chances are someone else in the forum may have and give you a better answer |
^^
The price of your lens is HKD 1400, about 172 AUD, it is expensive? |
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mo wrote:
I paid about $130au,I had the money so bought it. they do not turn up regularly on Australian ebay.If you can shop around you may find it cheaper.
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hktam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:31 am Post subject: |
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hktam wrote:
In shop and forum of hong kong, takumar is much more than zeiss
This is my first old manual lens  |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
You should also consider the Russian 135mm Sonnar copies, they can be just as good.
The Contax T* 2.8/135 isn't much more than the Jena Sonnars and is the best of them all.
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kansalliskala wrote:
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| The Contax T* 2.8/135 isn't much more than the Jena Sonnars and is the best of them all. |
Can you put that on a Nikon?
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Sadly no, none of these Sonnars will work on a Nikon.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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hktam wrote:
Thanks you two.
Contax seem expensive....
Then my equipment list will become
Nikon D40x
Nikon af-s 1.8/35, 18-55 II ED (kit lens with the machine)
Celestron 5.7/400 (A cheap astronomic telescope:D )
This 135 lens
So you know that I am a newbie....
In fact I try manual focus in my astronomic telescope, then become confident to buy a old lens... |
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Gurdie wrote:
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| Can you put that on a Nikon? |
Yes, at least 135/3.5´s can be adjusted, by taking away the stop screw.
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=14453
http://www.andrew.brown.dsl.pipex.com/articles/czj135svc/
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
On ebay in the UK, the price of the MC 3.5/135 Sonnar is around 75ukp, the Contax T* 2.8/135 can be had for around 100ukp. An earlier 4/135 Sonnar is about 50ukp.
So with those prices, the T* one is probably the best buy.
Also bear in mind the Russian Jupiter-11A 4/135 Sonnar copy is 15-20ukp and if you get a good one is just as good as the 4/135 CZJ Sonnar.
Why not consider a Nikon 135? they are cheap and supposed to be very good, 15-30ukp depending on condition on UK ebay.
If you want to use it mainly for closeups and want the best bokeh, the Pentacon 2.8/135 is better than the Sonnars imho.
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eddieitman wrote:
As per Ians comments a good jupiter 11a can be amazing i posted some Samples here i dont think the zeiss name could add any more pop or smoother bokeh than this lens already has
http://forum.mflenses.com/jupiter-11a-f4-with-some-bellow-work-as-well-candc-t48316.html
Samples there
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| If you want to use it mainly for closeups and want the best bokeh, the Pentacon 2.8/135 is better than the Sonnars imho |
Completely agree.
While I find the sonnar 135/3.5 is better overall (I think it is the best 135 in m42 mount, for what i've seen so far), i like the pentacon/meyer better for closeup/portrait/bokeh.
I have no experience with the contax since it requires too hard (for my capabilities) work to adapt it to my sony alpha.
That said, I'd stick with nikon for a nikon dslr: old nikon lenses are usually good, easy to find cheap and more easily adapted to your camera.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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hktam wrote:
Dear Ian,
UK lens are really cheaper than Hong Kong.
I plan to buy a old nikon zoom later, so have not think it this time.
May be 80-200, f4.5?
Dear Eddie,
Yes, as a newbie, I consider Zeiss partly because its name "pleasant to listen"
And afraid poor quality control about USSR lens... |
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hktam
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hktam wrote:
Yes, and for my D40x, some old Nikon lens can be used.
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| If you want to use it mainly for closeups and want the best bokeh, the Pentacon 2.8/135 is better than the Sonnars imho |
Completely agree.
While I find the sonnar 135/3.5 is better overall (I think it is the best 135 in m42 mount, for what i've seen so far), i like the pentacon/meyer better for closeup/portrait/bokeh.
I have no experience with the contax since it requires too hard (for my capabilities) work to adapt it to my sony alpha.
That said, I'd stick with nikon for a nikon dslr: old nikon lenses are usually good, easy to find cheap and more easily adapted to your camera. |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Oh, sorry to hear they are more expensive.
If it is any help, I would gladly find you a 135mm lens at a cheap price here and send it to you, I can probably find a good condition Pentacon 2.8/135 for 15-20ukp or a MC 3.5/135 Sonnar for 30-40ukp.
Nikkor 135s are common and cheap here too, I think 15-20 like the Pentacon, maybe 10 if lucky.
My personal favourite 135 is the Topcon RE Auto 3.5/135, does colour and contrast so well and is sharp like a laser, I'd place it close to the T* 2.8/135 in performance and ahead of the CZJ Sonnars, I directly compared my best 135mms and the Topcor narrowly beat the also fabulous Konica Hexanon 3.2/135, the Topcor just had a little more microcontrast and a slight edge in sharpness.
But in truth, all 135mms lenses are good, simple design that was perfectly a long time ago, even the cheapest Samyang 2.8/135 is a very good lens.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
The early Nikkor non-ai 135/3.5 lenses are also a Sonnar design as far as I know, and would fit easier onto your Nikon and give you infinity focusing as well as close up focusing
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
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| The early Nikkor non-ai 135/3.5 lenses are also a Sonnar design as far as I know, and would fit easier onto your Nikon and give you infinity focusing as well as close up focusing |
I think pretty much all 135s are either a Sonnar design or a Tele-Tessar, the slower 3.5 ones from top makers tend to be Sonnars and the faster 2.8s Tele-Tessars.
I've heard the earlier 3.5/135 Nikkor is a great lens, it's certainly cheap here in the UK.
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hktam wrote:
Is more wide than 20mm/more tele than 200mm nikon lens cheap in UK?
If so, I am interested to have some.
Yes, close up is easy, just buy more extension ring, but infinity is hard, so nikon machine should use nikon lens..... |
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nixland wrote:
By the way our friend BRunner has posted lots of 135 lens comparison shots in this thread :
http://forum.mflenses.com/twelve-2-8-135mm-lenses-compared-on-5dmkii-t39463.html
Hope it helps
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Olivier wrote:
For close up shooting, I think min focusing distance and number of blades (bokeh influence) are interesting to know.
Some figures :
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar Red MC 3.5/135 : 1.00m, 6 blades
Jupiter-37A 3.5/135 : 1.15m, 12 blades
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 1Q 4/135 : 1.20m, 8 blades
Taïr-11A 2.8/135 : 1.20m, 20 blades
Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 4/13,5 T : 1.25m, 16 blades
Nikkor-Q Auto 3.5/135 : 1.50m, 7 blades
Soligor Tele Auto 2.8/135 : 1.50m, 8 blades
Pentacon 2.8/135 : 1.65m, 6 blades
Taïr-11A and Jupiter-37A are russian and are very good. Quality is ok for mines.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
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For close up shooting, I think min focusing distance and number of blades (bokeh influence) are interesting to know.
Some figures :
Pentacon 2.8/135 : 1.65m, 6 blades |
That is the PB mount version, the M42 version has 15 blades. A 5mm extension tube is a very useful accessory and I often used one with my Pentacon 135, without it nice closeups are still very possible:
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| A 5mm extension tube is a very useful accessory and I often used one with my Pentacon 135, without it nice closeups are still very possible |
You're right Ian and extension tubes' sets are available for low price.
About the Pentacon, I own the Pentacon auto 2.8/135 MC in M42 mount and it has only 6 blades.
I wish it had 15 blades like yours. 
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