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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Any tip on artistic lenses? Reply with quote

Does anyone have any tips on artistic lenses? Smile Lenses that gives strange bokeh?


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an old Petzval or Pentac and create an adapter for your camera. Really, any brass tube lens ought to work okay.

Also, if you use a telephoto zoom with a macro setting (Vivitar 75-150 and Focal 80-200, for instance), the bokeh goes all swirly and seizure-inducing.

Alternately, you can cut shapes out of black paper and tape them to cruddy UV filters (simply as a vehicle) and then the images' bokeh will take the shape of whatever you cut into the paper.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kodak Cine Ektar 63mm f2

http://forum.mflenses.com/kodak-cine-ektar-63mm-f2-military-t53845,highlight,%2Bkodak+%2Bcine+%2Bektar.html


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some suggestions:

low budget - http://forum.mflenses.com/helios-44-2-2-58-t38230.html

medium budget - http://forum.mflenses.com/meyer-trioplan-2-8-100mm-t39248.html

high budget - http://forum.mflenses.com/helios-40-craze-t19605.html


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You also have the Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9, with its exploding bokeh.



PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamiya 2/50 also has swirly bokeh wide open.

If you want that toy camera blurred edges/sharp center look, find an Auxillary wide angle attachment, and flip the front element in it.
It has to be used on the front of a normal lense of course, but you'll get this effect:


There's also the Spiratone Portragon which gives a similar effect (and some old filters which don't do it as nicely).


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meyer-Optik Grlitz Trioplan 2.8/100. I'm pretty sure this lens inspired Apple's Arabesque screen saver Laughing (Just don't buy it if you have hidden epilepsia.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20110320/6069863999/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50093837@N05/4987188394/


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like that?



PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woow, thank you all som very much!!!

Can I use all this lenses if i get an adapter? M42?

were do you buy your lenses? On ebay?


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
Like that?



Wonderful!


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billou wrote:
You also have the Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9, with its exploding bokeh.



really wonderful!!!


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esox lucius wrote:
Meyer-Optik Grlitz Trioplan 2.8/100. I'm pretty sure this lens inspired Apple's Arabesque screen saver Laughing (Just don't buy it if you have hidden epilepsia.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20110320/6069863999/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50093837@N05/4987188394/


This lens i have, i love it Smile


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
Like that?



Yes, I like it. Skilled photographer makes the difference. Every lens has smaller or larger weaknesses, and often weaknesses can be turned into strengths. In the end they're just brushes, every job has its tools.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well said!!

another type...



PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esox lucius wrote:
Meyer-Optik Grlitz Trioplan 2.8/100. I'm pretty sure this lens inspired Apple's Arabesque screen saver Laughing (Just don't buy it if you have hidden epilepsia.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20110320/6069863999/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50093837@N05/4987188394/


I've had migraines that look like that! Shocked damn, that's weird bokeh!


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



The lovely chinon 55mm f 1.7 with learther grips (tomioko) design
Very cheap but renders impressionistic pics like Monet the newer Pentax mount version is also as interesting


The newer version below has more glow


Last edited by eddieitman on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:38 am; edited 3 times in total


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm used wide open at 35mm produces unique bokeh.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

martinsmith99 wrote:
Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm used wide open at 35mm produces unique bokeh.


Any dislike this type of bokeh too, but I like this unique property of this lens.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diaplan / Trioplan 100mm f/2.8 would be my first reccomendation, too:



Much less easy too handle is the Sigma YS 135mm/2,8 lens - it could create Trioplan like bokeh too after a modification - but has the ability to make spherical under corrected bokeh as well. Much like the Nikon DC Nikkor lenses - bokeh control !





A lens with apodisation filter would be interessting to - such a smooth bokeh is very special. But sometimes it is distracting / unnatural.
There is only the Sony/Minolta 135mm/2.8 [4.5] STF lens. As an alternative one can build a DIY apodization lens.



The Vivitar 35mm f/1.9 seem to produce someting like the now expensive 28/1.9 lens.
Need to make more images with it.[/img]


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canon Serenar 85mm:





Cooke kinic 1 inch:





PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.
Last bokeh is awesome Shocked


or tilt (on nex)


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call me traditional, but I prefer my "artistic" lenses not to intrude into the image any more than is necessary. So I still prefer just good old fast lenses. Like 50/1.4s and /1.2s and 85/1.4s and /1.2s. And I can get by with most of the rest I own with some proper positioning.

Taken with my EOS XS (1000D), Canon FD 85mm f/1.2 SSC Aspherical @ f/1.2, with EOS-FD adapter, corrective element removed.


Often similar soft bokeh can be achieved with slower lenses by positioning the subject properly with respect to its background:

EOS XS, Canon FD 400mm f/4.5 @ f/4.5, FD-EOS adapter w/element removed:


Canon F-1, Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8-5.4 @ ~ 5.4, Fujichrome Provia 100, duped with my XS and dupe rig:


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a Holga camera. It's the most fun and you will get beautiful images, (if they are in focus).

There is also a Holga lens for Nikon mount. I had one but wasn't happy with it. The Holga is a medium format camera and there the 60mm is a wide angle, while on FX or even DX it's quite long. It's also not sharp at all.

The camera is 30$ without flash and 50$ with flash, brand new.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Michael - Cooltouch on this, I like my bokeh smooooooooth. And for me it doesn't get much better that this from the Rollei Planar 50 1.8.


Machinery by Mudplugga, on Flickr

There's been a discussion on the Pentax Forums about the legendary Helios 44M swirly bokeh, and neither of mine seem to do the swirly thing to any great degree, there's some, but very very little. But I have a Chinon Auto Reflex 28 2.8 that swirls like crazy, so much that I rarely use it.


In a world of swirls. by Mudplugga, on Flickr


PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me one of very interesting and artistic bokeh is definitely Carl Zeiss Biometar 80 2.8 for P6. This lens is famoust my strange swirl bokeh. Goole it you will find more on this lens, but is very sharp and this effect is useful in photography as in video.