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Pancolart
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 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:59 pm Post subject: A true underdog series |
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Pancolart wrote:
Now i am certain whole series of these silver beauties exist. And most of the lenses are good! Here Click here to see on Ebay.de for the first time 20mm.
I've tested 23mm, 2.8/100mm, 3.5/135mm 4.5/300mm all above average!
Question: so is it Tokyo Kogaku or maybe early Tamron (as i was suggested a while ago)? I've seen it branded as Beroflex.
p.s. please don't bid the above it will be mine 
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Seele
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
That's Topcon RE-series, nothing to do with Tamron. |
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Is that 100%? They exist in many mounts for instance Minolta MD, CANON FD and M42 for sure.
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martyn_bannister
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
| Seele wrote: |
| That's Topcon RE-series, nothing to do with Tamron. |
And yet the style of the lettering reminds me very much of my Tamron 300mm HERE ??? |
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indianadinos
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
| Seele wrote: |
| That's Topcon RE-series, nothing to do with Tamron. |
+1 ...
I don't believe that Tamron had something to do with Topcon ... I have seen a lot of pictures taken with Topcon lenses, and found their light and color rendering almost different from the one of old Tamrons ...
Maybe these lenses just shared their wear ...
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| Is that 100%? They exist in many mounts for instance Minolta MD, CANON FD and M42 for sure. |
There are some conversion kits available on eBay. Basically, you replace the original Topcon/Exakta mount with an M42 mount (i think i have seen somewhere a conversion kit from Topcon to Pentax-K, too) ...
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Huh, just a similarity in construction then? Here 23mm: Click here to see on Ebay.de ?
Found few more. 2.8/135mm: Click here to see on Ebay.de
3.5/200mm Click here to see on Ebay.de
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Those Beroflex / Hanimex / Prinz Flex lenses look similar, but they are totally different. The Topcor lenses are beautiful made all metal lenses...they look superb. The Beroflex type lenses look more much more plasticky and remind me more of the early 70s silver Tamrons.
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Definitely nothing plastic about them though i didn't see real Topcons then  . So that lovely 20mm from first post is sadly excluded. And Tamron back in business right?
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I've also seen those silver lenses branded as Alpex if it helps. I had the silver Prinzflex branded 135/2.8 like this one:
Click here to see on Ebay
Lens was poor wide open compared to the Tamron 135/2.8 silver model. Looked good though! I believe the series is available in black too.
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ManualFocus-G
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Looks like they were also branded Elicar:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=31415
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stingOM
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
These are very good to exceptional lenses. Sshhh.... keep it quiet...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
It will fetch high price , people know it and respect very well, nothing related except color and Made in Japan to Elicar, Tamron etc.
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Seele
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
These RE-Topcors were finished in silver. Earlier Tamrons were finished in silver. That does not mean they're related. |
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indianadinos
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indianadinos wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| I've also seen those silver lenses branded as Alpex if it helps. |
Yes, i have a silver 28mm Alpex, and its IQ is far behind the Topcor lenses  ...
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scsambrook wrote:
Only just seen this thread and adding my two centsworth . . . Just to emphasise that the Topcon/Topcor lenses are in a different world to the Beroflex and similar independent ones.The Topcon has a 'real' satin chrome finish, the others are a kind of anodising (I think!) that's smooth, almost paint-like, and a different colour as well. The 'silver' Tamrons have the same sort of finish which isn't too durable and soon gets dirty from finger marks. When you actually see examples it's obvious that they're not 'silver' at all.
I remember all these from selling them in the 1960s and 70s. I guess that the stylists were trying to add an impression of quality, and differentiating from other brands, through following the look of the Topcors. They certainly caught customers' attention, although the shiny black Tamrons easily outsold the 'silver' ones. I think by maybe five or six to one.
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/T%C5%8Dky%C5%8D_K%C5%8Dgaku
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blaahhi
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blaahhi wrote:
Yes, definitely a classic RE Topcor lens, nothing to do with lesser brands!
The 20mm, as the other wide-angle Topcors, is quite rare, making it very collectable. So I expect the price to rise a bit, maybe to around 200-300€. If you get it cheaper, it's a steal! Here's an example (notorious seller, so halve the price and get the "real" estimate...)
Click here to see on Ebay
...but it will possibly still be worth it, as the classic RE Topcor lenses just ooooze quality!
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