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karabud
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: Zenitar Fisheye 16mm 2.8 |
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karabud wrote:
I have another question for you
What do you think about Zenitar 16mm 2.8 ?
What is good price for it? _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/atheist_lenses/
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Zenitar Fisheye 16mm 2.8 |
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aoleg wrote:
karabud wrote: |
I have another question for you
What do you think about Zenitar 16mm 2.8 ?
What is good price for it? |
I have one. If you get a good sample, it's a nice sharp lens with little CA and very good resistance to flare. Good price would be up to $150; they usually sell for around $200 though. Sample variation is high. My copy has a decentered element, and hence it's unsharp on the left (I know it can be a very sharp lens lookint at the right side of its images). Fixing it would probably cost more than the lens itself, so beware and try buying one locally after testing. _________________ List of lenses |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Zenitar Fisheye 16mm 2.8 |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
aoleg wrote: |
karabud wrote: |
I have another question for you
What do you think about Zenitar 16mm 2.8 ?
What is good price for it? |
I have one. If you get a good sample, it's a nice sharp lens with little CA and very good resistance to flare. Good price would be up to $150; they usually sell for around $200 though. Sample variation is high. My copy has a decentered element, and hence it's unsharp on the left (I know it can be a very sharp lens lookint at the right side of its images). Fixing it would probably cost more than the lens itself, so beware and try buying one locally after testing. |
+1
I have a perfect one I got from a member here. Rarely use it but it delivers when needed.
Full frame no distortion adjustment. Horizon placed on center. Dark corner from the built in hood poorly adjusted for my adapter easy to adjust the hood with the set screw.
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karabud
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 843 Location: Lodz
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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karabud wrote:
Thx a lot!
F16SUNSHINE - beautiful image - excellent colours&contrast
I will look for used _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/atheist_lenses/
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shauttra
Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Posts: 778 Location: Latvia
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: |
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shauttra wrote:
i bought it here
http://zenit-camera.com/
very nice and quality lens. On full frame it amazing!! _________________ Mto-1000, Tair-3, Auto Exaktar 135mm 2,8, Samyang 14mm 2.8,
Jupiter 37A, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135/3.5,
Helios-44, Mir-1, Revuenon 50/1.4,
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karabud
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 843 Location: Lodz
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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karabud wrote:
Yes i can afford to buy new - but get a good sample isn`t easy....as written above
Anyone want to get rid of this lens ? _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/atheist_lenses/
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
karabud wrote: |
Yes i can afford to buy new - but get a good sample isn`t easy....as written above
Anyone want to get rid of this lens ? |
Keep trying to buy from trustworthy users, as did mentioned above. _________________ -------------------------------
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karabud
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 843 Location: Lodz
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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karabud wrote:
Anyone knows it is possible to mount Pentax PK or m42 mount Zenitar on 5D ? _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/atheist_lenses/
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
My sample above is M42. Don't buy any other mount if you are thinking 5D.
Simply from a resale standpoint. Your market will be Canon, Pentax, Sony, Sigma for both film and digital users.
If you think you will never sell it think again Such is the life of a lens. _________________ Moderator |
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karabud
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 843 Location: Lodz
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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karabud wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
My sample above is M42. Don't buy any other mount if you are thinking 5D.
Simply from a resale standpoint. Your market will be Canon, Pentax, Sony, Sigma for both film and digital users.
If you think you will never sell it think again Such is the life of a lens. |
Thx for feedback. I agree with you 100% However if I had the opportunity to buy a good copy i want know if it possible to mount Pentax PK Zenitar on 5d (not mk II)
What about Zenitar in Nikon mount?Can be adapted too ? _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/atheist_lenses/
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
karabud wrote: |
Thx for feedback. I agree with you 100% However if I had the opportunity to buy a good copy i want know if it possible to mount Pentax PK Zenitar on 5d (not mk II)
What about Zenitar in Nikon mount?Can be adapted too ? |
Nikon mount can be adapted (although I am not sure they were ever manufactured). K mount is better avoided as the 5D's mirror may hit the aperture stopdown lever. M42 is your best bet all around. _________________ List of lenses |
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folderholder
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 102 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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folderholder wrote:
Have you considered a Takumar 17mm full frame fisheye? I've seen them sell under $200 and the quality control may be more consistent than the Zenitar — and it's already a screw mount. I'm happy with the one I use. _________________ Best wishes,
Peter
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
aoleg wrote: |
Nikon mount can be adapted (although I am not sure they were ever manufactured). |
Apparently they were manufactured.
http://zenit-camera.com/zenitar_n_fisheye_lens.htm _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
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shauttra
Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Posts: 778 Location: Latvia
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:01 am Post subject: |
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shauttra wrote:
Attila wrote: |
karabud wrote: |
Yes i can afford to buy new - but get a good sample isn`t easy....as written above
Anyone want to get rid of this lens ? |
Keep trying to buy from trustworthy users, as did mentioned above. |
Someone had bad expierence with this shop? _________________ Mto-1000, Tair-3, Auto Exaktar 135mm 2,8, Samyang 14mm 2.8,
Jupiter 37A, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135/3.5,
Helios-44, Mir-1, Revuenon 50/1.4,
Carl Zeiss Pancolar 50/1.8, Samyang 24/1.4, Auto Vivitar 35/2.8
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MF-addicted
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 803 Location: Stuttgart (Germany)
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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MF-addicted wrote:
I just had the chance to get a Yashica ML 15 Fisheye.
Now, I will sell my Zenitar 2,8/16 for 139 Euros plus shipping.
All filters included.
Details see my post in marketplace later. _________________
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axer
Joined: 21 Feb 2010 Posts: 242 Location: where I lay my head is home
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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axer wrote:
What's important concerning Zenitar 16/2.8 is that the filter is an optical element. Without filter mounted it delivers soft and blurry images, so it is essential to get a copy with filters included. |
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OPAL
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OPAL wrote:
This image I've shot with flashlight and tripod in this very dark old Chapel!
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
I also own the Zenitar, my copy is very sharp edge to edge on a crop sensor. An underrated lens and more versatile than people think, keep the horizon central and nobody will know. But can be easily de-fished in LR if required. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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OPAL
Joined: 11 Dec 2012 Posts: 354
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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OPAL wrote:
noddywithoutbigears wrote: |
I also own the Zenitar, my copy is very sharp edge to edge on a crop sensor. An underrated lens and more versatile than people think, keep the horizon central and nobody will know. But can be easily de-fished in LR if required. |
I don't understand, why should I "de-fish" an image, when I am especially want to use it, for an interesting fisheye image? |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Some people want a rectilinear image.
The Zenitar is a fairly cheap 24mm equivalent for APS-C, on a DSLR, if one wants such a rectilinear lens. Or it was, until recently. There are more options now.
Except for the problem with it being a fisheye of course.
By de-fishing you get that 24mm rectilinear. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
Better look for a Tokina 17mm 1:3.5 if you want rectilinear _________________ pentaxian |
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
noddywithoutbigears wrote: |
I also own the Zenitar, my copy is very sharp edge to edge on a crop sensor. An underrated lens and more versatile than people think, keep the horizon central and nobody will know. But can be easily de-fished in LR if required. |
I don't understand, why should I "de-fish" an image, when I am especially want to use it, for an interesting fisheye image? |
It’s to do with versatility, you can use it either way “if requiredâ€. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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visualopsins
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:31 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
axer wrote: |
What's important concerning Zenitar 16/2.8 is that the filter is an optical element. Without filter mounted it delivers soft and blurry images, so it is essential to get a copy with filters included. |
Or remove the filter & readjust infinity focus. Mine had focus adjusted; with filter images were blurry. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:04 am Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
axer wrote: |
What's important concerning Zenitar 16/2.8 is that the filter is an optical element. Without filter mounted it delivers soft and blurry images, so it is essential to get a copy with filters included. |
Or remove the filter & readjust infinity focus. Mine had focus adjusted; with filter images were blurry. |
Yes I second that, mine performs better without the filters, it may have been adjusted by the previous owner(s) as I’ve not adjusted it. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Gerald wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
I don't understand, why should I "de-fish" an image, when I am especially want to use it, for an interesting fisheye image? |
Of course, if someone is satisfied with the image produced directly by a fisheye lens, defishing isn't an option. It is good to remember, however, that some themes go well with a fisheye, but many others go better with a rectilinear wide-angle lens.
A big advantage of defishing is that it is possible to achieve angles of view so extreme that they are impossible or very difficult to achieve with rectilinear ultra-angular lenses. For example, a typical 16mm fisheye has the following angles of view:
vertical: 100º
horizontal: 150º
diagonal: 180º
After defishing, and assuming a 2:3 aspect ratio of the final image, that fisheye lens will be equivalent to a 10mm rectilinear lens! Besides, the defished fisheye produces imagens virtually free of vignetting! In comparison, the today's widest commercial ultra wide-angle lens has a focal length of 12 mm, which comes, of course, with a lot of vignetting...
If the full horizontal extension of the defished imaging is used, the equivalent rectilinear lens has a focal length of only 4.8mm. Probably a rectilinear lens with such short focal length is impossible to be designed, at least with current optical technology.
Finally, maybe these threads interest you:
http://forum.mflenses.com/landscape-photography-with-a-fisheye-t74240.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=73716
EDIT: To be more exact, Samyang has a 10mm F3.5 and Irix a 11mm F4 UWA lenses in the market today. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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