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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: XNUV - A new, much faster filter for reflected UV |
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kds315* wrote:
Today about a faster filter for reflected UV photography, as there seems to be demand for handheld UV shooting or shooting at higher speeds for instance for video work. After having thought about that for a while and about the whole chain light-object-filter-lens-sensor, an idea for a new filter came up, the XNUV, that I finally tested for the first time now using the Baader-U UV pass filter for comparison, a CERCO 94mm quartz flourite lens and my UV sensitive camera. Here presented in black and white diptych form, as the colors really don't matter for scientific work.
The used Rudbeckia hirta flower is reflecting from 320 - 420nm with a distinct peak around 365nm at its petal tips and creates a very distinct UV bullseye pattern and UV nectar guide for its pollinators and that serves nicely as test object here. Now on to the test results...
Ultraviolet (UV) image using Baader-U left) and XNUV filter (right):
Ultraviolet (UV) image using Baader-U left) and XNUV filter (right) - pattern detail:
Ultraviolet (UV) image using Baader-U left) and XNUV filter (right) - sharpness detail:
What is important to notice is, that the XNUV is also able to precisely reproduce this distinct UV pattern as well as it shows a quite improved sharpness as compared to the Baader-U filter. And most importantly it is repeatedly 3 stops faster than when using the Baader-U filter, which is a very impressive result as it will make it much easier also for video work.
I will report more about that filter here later, as more testing needs to be done. And no, it is not for sale, just for my own UV work.
[high resolution images are on my BLOG uvir.eu] _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Hari
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
Wow! the difference is quite pronounced.
I don't know anything about UV photography but would using a red light source help in illumination? _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
M42 mount Lenses: Too many
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
no Hari, it wouldn't as we talk about teh 300-400nm wavelength range here, red is from about 600nm onwards. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Hari
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
no Hari, it wouldn't as we talk about teh 300-400nm wavelength range here, red is from about 600nm onwards. |
Thanks for the info Klaus. Is there your website/any other place where i could learn more like what you just shared above? _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
M42 mount Lenses: Too many
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:21 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
@Klaus
Wow! Difference is much bigger than I expected. Were did you find/order this filter and how much did it cost?
@Hari
Klaus blog is one of the best sources to start:
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.de/
<400mm>~700nm is infrared.
Human eyes can see light from about 380nm (blacklight) to about 780nm (very red, look through an IR-filter!), depending on strength of the light and individual sensivity.
Bye the way I already have serious problems seeing anything through a 715nm filter. I can only see the sun while all my friends simply see a dark red picture of almost everything.
When we are talking about UV-photography we are usually talking about using the invisble light (invisible for humans, some insects are able to see UV (look at the "bee vision" in the blog), some reptiles like snakes are able to see pretty deep IR etc.) only between 200-380nm.
At around ~190nm air becomes intransparent, so there's a practical limit for UV-photography, as long as you don't shoot in vakuum or with an special artificial athmosphere.
Another problem of UV-Photography is that most lenses absorb a lot UV-light below 380nm. You need lenses which glas is made of calcium fluorite, quarz or similar. Only a few "normal" lenses are usable for UV-photography, like the medium format El-Nikkor enlarger lenses or the Novoflex 35/3.5 Macro for example.
At even smaller wavelengths the "light" (or radiation, whatever) becomes slowly able to go trough air again. At around 10nm, the light is even able to go through skin, flesh an bones. It's known as Xray(-photography)
Of course you can also go into the opposite way, shooting even far above "normal" infrared. Some people are also doing photography with wavelengths of several cm- or meter, but due the long wavelengths the resolution is low and equipment is ultra large, so it's only useful for telescopes...
...there's so much to tell about light, much more than I could tell in one post
Bye the way, I wonder if common DSLR's etc. are sensitive to Xray. A friend of mine has an Xray source, and I wonder I could make some interesting (and dangerous, kids don't do this at home, or at least not without a very long cable shutter) shots if I get an Xray lens somewhere. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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